The S.H.I.T.T.S Podcast
The S.H.I.T.T.S Podcast
Decoding the Cult-Religion Spectrum with Scott Homan and Anthony Mathenia
Ever grappled with questions about the fine line separating religion and cults? Ever pondered about the shadowy corners of shunning, a practice deeply ingrained in some religious sects? Join us on a cerebral voyage where we decode these contentious issues with our guests, Scott Homan and Anthony Mathenia, creators of the Witness Underground Podcast and Documentary. We engage in a riveting discourse, dissecting the themes of their groundbreaking Kickstarter project and podcast.
Venture with us into the labyrinth of religion, spirituality, and humanism. Together we delve into the power of questioning, the role of art in sparking meaningful dialogue and the challenges that come with documenting such profound themes. The discussion takes an intriguing turn as we question the merits of trade schools versus college and university education, shedding light on the music collective 'Nuclear Gopher,' a creative sanctuary for those stifled within their religious communities.
As the conversation unfolds, we underscore the strength of individuality and its potential to enrich the collective. Our guests open up, sharing candid personal anecdotes to emphasize that real growth and accomplishment are rooted in patience, passion, and purpose. Join us as we illuminate often ignored topics, challenge norms, and encourage critical thinking. With personal stories and insights from our guests, this episode promises to broaden your horizons and challenge your perspectives on religion, cults, and individualism.
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Yo, what the deal is y'all? Yo, you in that tune down to the shit's podcast where we're either shooting the shit, starting some shit or picking up what shit left off. I'm your host Marsons, the Roder Coolest Catcher, and for this podcast we have two very special guests To the podcast. They have a documentary coming out, a world-winning documentary, and they also have a podcast entitled, a podcast called the Witness Underground Podcast. And man, I watched the documentary today and I gotta tell y'all very, very intense documentary. Can't wait for y'all to see it.
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Speaker 1:So, with that being said, our very special guest to the podcast is Scott Homan and Anthony ooh, I hope I'm not butchering this man last night. Anthony Mathenia, oh, hope I said that right. Hello, there, did I say it right? Did I say it right? Did I say the last name? All right, cool, cool, cool, cool. That works, that works, all right. Thank you all for thank y'all for your time. Man, yeah, turn this on. No problem, no problem, no problem. So my first question to you all is well, first of all, how you weak been.
Speaker 2:Oof. We just did a big push during we have a Kickstarter right now, so it's been a lot of communication with people all over the world, just like writing individual messages, so like just sitting at a computer all day like going for it. But, yeah, it's really working out well. Things are coming together at 60% in our Kickstarter and I don't know if you want to talk about that, but we are, we're looking at home right now.
Speaker 1:I actually do so. Can you tell everybody what's the goal for the Kickstarter?
Speaker 2:So the goal is we're raising release, finishing funds for releasing the film. So we're in the beginning, the distribution phase, and there's a lot of pieces to that puzzle how it all works. Okay, we want to get on common streaming services like 2B, eventually, amazon and Apple TV and there's like 35 more like ad-based streaming services we're looking at. We got an educational angle we're hitting. Okay, there's a number of pieces to it and it all costs the money and we want it to be known as well. So, actually, your, the Kickstarter is actually like a big piece of our marketing campaign concept is to get take a year's worth of talking to people and getting on shows and condense it down into one month. So thank you for having us on, because we're trying to reach new people, no problem.
Speaker 1:No problem, no problem. So can you tell everybody about the podcast first?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the podcast is a natural extension of the movie, the Witness Underground documentary. Okay, the Witness Underground podcast takes the same concept of what the film gets into, which is musicians and artists who were in high control religion in this case, but it could be anything, any kind of situation where then there's a dramatic change or transition, okay, and then and then they have to live another life. There's like a forced thing because you have a natural transition in life over normal periods of time. But people that get kicked out of religion or leave a religion or a community of any kind, really there's a hard line where they have to start over. A lot of artists that go through that make really amazing music like post-faith or post-cult, just any kind of transition music, and so everything I've done up into this point has been music based.
Speaker 2:I have another film that came before this called Hanoi Mix Tape. This is Witness Underground, where we follow a group of artists inside of a high control religion or cult and there's like an alternative music scene inside this bubble, a subculture. In the bubble they had like 500 kids like all making music and enjoying music, going to concerts, and a lot of them kind of got separated from the community. Okay, and they went out and made even more amazing art. So the podcast is like takes that concept and it's like well, could that happen in Minneapolis and in the Great Lakes Midwest region in a specific finite period of time? That's now in the past and that's that's the documentary. But the podcast is about finding people like that all over the world from many different backgrounds. The majority of our episodes so far have been with ex-witnesses, ex-jahovish witnesses oh okay, artists who've left that religion and, but like I'm in touch with ex-Mormon artists and an ex-Orthodox Jewish artist from Israel and people from many different walks of life.
Speaker 1:So, with that being said, can can you, out of all the people that you have talked to, can you tell me what has been the common denominator with? Like with any religion or a cult, like whether it be Mormon, whether it be Jehovah Witnesses, what's like, what has been like the common denominator with, with all of them?
Speaker 2:One of the. The main thing that we talk about in the movie is shunning, and it's shunning is when you get cut off in your family and community and they're sort of you're not, they're not allowed to talk to you or they won't talk to you, and there's this sort of like. You become added to the hate group essentially, or added to the hate group by a hate group and they treat you poorly or they don't treat you, they don't communicate, so solitary confinement levels caught off, so the the not having a dignified exit like if you can't leave the group in a way that's dignified that's a pretty big sign that you're in a troublesome organization.
Speaker 1:Thank you for clearing that up Cause. Well, I don't want to say too much about documentary, but I would say this much I think it was awesome and, like I told you it was, it was very emotional and I don't know if I could speak about scenes that I that I saw.
Speaker 2:Actually, you can go for it.
Speaker 1:But, but just the part where the guy was talking about not being able to come to the funeral, I was like whoa, you know, like having to wait outside, having to wait outside the house, and just him being vulnerable and speaking about it like it really did something Like this. So I was thinking about that and I'm like why do people get kicked out of these religion with a slash cults, If I'm saying it right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, why? Oh, there's a lot of reasons why. Maybe, anthony, you want to take a stab at some of the reasons why.
Speaker 3:Well, a lot of these groups and this is just something you see in religious groups, you can see it in political groups, you can see it in pop culture fandoms there's a certain echo chamber of everybody has to think the same.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:And in high control religions. When people kind of don't think the same, or maybe they have questions or doubts or considerations, often they can be ostracized from the group because they don't speak the party line Right Right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And maybe they're the ones that are standing up and saying the emperor has no clothes on. Well, that person is really going to get shown the door really quickly, right.
Speaker 1:So I was thinking about the same where the lady was talking about either she was dating someone or she had relations with someone, and how she had to speak to the elders about it and how that made her feel like basically having to say like it seemed like an interrogation and just her response to it and like just thinking about them. It's like for someone having to go through that and that's the norm, like there has to be like a messed up feeling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that is the norm and I'm so happy we were able to find Cindy's. Not find Cindy we knew Cindy, but she had that story to tell and that she was willing to tell. It's a very personal story. Yes, having to admit your first sexual experience in graphic, right to three men, without having any kind of safety structure like your parents around Right, that's your own parents, but it's like maybe even better than having religious leaders who are going to decide your fate for the rest of your life, right, you're going to have to say something really embarrassing and and, and, yeah, vulnerable like that. And that is the common experience of a woman in that religion. If you have anything to do with sex like, you get interrogated like that and it's almost always the first time because having sex is not acceptable in that religion. And if you do, you cut off almost certainly and you have to go through this process of talking about it with these people at the top.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, I find, like I watched that and I listened to that scene, I was like wow, like that has to be like very, very uncomfortable. You know, like you say, especially for your first time, that you have to sit here and tell I don't know if they old guys or younger, but still you're telling somebody that is not your family about this. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, um, why? Why was it important for you and your company to make this documentary?
Speaker 2:For me it was. It was a burning desire to talk about shunning, because I personally experience it, because my dad joined this religion, okay, and so my family's in it still including my mom, who never really officially joined but my grandparents have like 17 family members in it, once out of the family and when I walked away from it like I got the full treatment. It was a bit slow because my family's like not never didn't really take religion that seriously until I left. Then, when they started taking it seriously, they're like, oh, we're supposed to cut our son off after three years of kind of tension between us. Then they're like, oh, we're not supposed to ever talk to you again, like that's the thing that religion makes us do.
Speaker 2:And I was like you know that? And I was like, yeah, but you haven't been doing that for three years. Then they like put the full power of the shunning in and I lived with that cut off of family, and my brothers especially. We were really close and and I just like this is awful, this is, this is abusive, this is tormenting. To like wait and know that people are choosing to not be in your life and then they say like, oh, we love you, but we have to do this. And it's like right.
Speaker 2:Well, you just said it, you have to do it. That's if you love me, do something else like show, show your love.
Speaker 1:Exactly and I'm sorry you had to experience that man when being someone that had to go through that. How does that make you look at religion in general, like whether it's Christianity, whether it's Islam, whether it's Jehovah Witnesses? I mean, I don't even know I'm saying that religion correctly, but how does that make you look at religion in general?
Speaker 2:Anthony.
Speaker 3:I mean, I have to say it's maybe very skeptical, not just about religion but any kind of like organization. I don't know if this is good or bad, but, like anytime anybody's going to come tell me okay, this is the truth or this is what you should believe. I have to question everything. You know I can't, I can never be the guy anymore that's just going to go along with the flow, because you know, you know full me won't shame on me. Full me twice. Yeah, I've been fooled many, many times, but, like it's maybe skeptical, there's a part of me that doesn't mind going to like a church setting and you know we're going to sing some good songs and have some good feels and all that, but being involved in and joining a group and being involved in a group isn't anything that I'm interested in.
Speaker 1:Right. I've always thought that what's interesting to me about religion is that religion is the only thing where you don't need proof. You know what I'm saying, like. So it's like with math with mathematics, I can't tell you that 8 plus 4 equals 12 without showing you, without being able to show you. Or with science, I can't be able to tell you that water is going to boil at a certain temperature without showing you. It just seems like religion. I don't have to prove anything to, I just tell you. You know, and you have to go off of that. And it seems like for the people that do question it, anthony, like you were saying, like they are looked at differently, like now you're looked at as you're a heathen, or you're looked at as you know, an outcast, a devil or stuff like that, because you are asking questions.
Speaker 3:I feel like anytime someone doesn't want you to ask questions, I mean that should just be a warning sign. And again, that's not just religion, that's a lot of things in life. But yeah, I think I found the value in questioning things. Had I not questioned things, I would still be in a very unhappy situation in life. So I'm not the guy that's going to come on this podcast and say, hey, look at me, I'm Anthony, I got all the answers. Because I don't have all the answers. All I got is a bunch of questions and I'm just that kind of guy. But, like you know, I think there's value in asking questions and looking at things and new perspectives and new ways. Man, it's like trying to keep an open mind about everything.
Speaker 1:Cool and I did. Thank you very much. Is there anything in your life that you truly just say wholeheartedly Believe in, without a question of a doubt?
Speaker 2:Maybe humanity more than anything. I think the idea of a humanism, if I were to like take on like a belief system, and that's not a belief system but like. That's a way of maybe seeing the world Like I have faith in humanity in general.
Speaker 3:Like.
Speaker 2:I like how George Carlin said it back in like the 80s on the one interview. He's like. He's like humans on their own are amazing, beautiful creatures with inspiration, light, love. But as soon as you put two together now they're, now they're acting as a group you get a big collective together. Now the like politics, religion, even a company structure, a startup.
Speaker 2:Now people are acting for the group beyond themselves and it's a different animal and it's he's like I don't care anymore and I don't care if it's humans, live on here to just enjoy the ride and enjoy the show. But humans on their own are amazing. It's something like that. To that note, and I feel even even humans collected are generally working towards the good. Not all collectives. I mean there's people extracting, you know, oil from the land and profiting and then destroying destroying the planet in some way.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, they don't care, so like there's another way that people gather together and it's destructive. So unfortunately. I'm more of a humanist at this point, in that I mean we have to. I have to believe in humanity that will come, will rise above with our collective.
Speaker 1:Yes, and, and this, and listening to you say that, it makes me think about how important the documentary is, you know, for excuse me for people to use art to get that message out, to have those, for people to start having those conversations and sometimes people may not always agree on what's being presented to them, but I think it's very important to have the conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's actually a great perspective. The movie can start conversations that are important, and it has happened with the people that have watched it, and it's a beautiful benefit of the movie.
Speaker 1:What is your, what is your comparison of spirituality and religion? What's the difference, great?
Speaker 2:question Got anything Anthony?
Speaker 3:Man. We're getting hit with all the heavy thought provoking questions today. Yeah, and like to me, like religion is is systematized, like you do something religiously, like whatever. I wake up and I brush my teeth religiously, you know it's a pattern, it's a way of life, it's a way of thinking. I'll just speak from you know, from a creative mindset. Spirituality is being tapped into, whatever it is that's making you produce a good song or a painting, and I think most true creative people I talked to know when they're in that flow, when they're channeling. You know something out of the ether and you know putting it on a page or putting it on a canvas. So I don't know. It's like I'm not. I'm not a guru, I'm not a shaman, I don't live in the Amazon jungle or I'm not Shasta, but the only true magic or spiritual thing I know in my life is is doing, is creating, is making things and changing the world, which I hope this documentary does.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and I hope so as well. Speaking of the documentary, what were some of the challenges you all faced making creating the documentary?
Speaker 2:One of the big challenges is, I mean, my big driving fire, for it was to tell the story of Shunning, but do so in a new way, because there are other films that do that, and it was to show a path out of that. Like you go through that it's tragic and it's hard. Demonstrate that in a way that helps bring awareness to the public that this is a dangerous group. And show what happens after that, like now that you're untethered and you're broken free from this mind control organization. You successfully navigated cult mind control. Now what happens?
Speaker 2:And then we demonstrate that with, like the modern day, seeing these people still making music, collaborating, and like having gotten out and landing on the outside with a life that's like worth, living a positive life or purpose and meaning.
Speaker 2:Like making that music about their transition, which is really what we highlight in the film and the rise of that gaining your voice through music and finding it and creating your own meaning in life and purpose.
Speaker 2:I feel like we demonstrate that in a way that can inspire others to do that if they go through a transition that's difficult, as a way of sort of like processing trauma through creativity Okay, okay, but maybe one of the difficulties to get back to your question is these people all went through some trauma stuff and so for me too and I went through a similar thing of a parallel story it was hard to get people to like really get involved because it just brings up all these unresolved triggers or it brings up old triggers they have resolved and they're like I don't want to think about that stuff anymore because it's like too heavy, and so it took us a little bit longer to get through it all and get it ready and do the paperwork and get the legal side and be done, because everyone's like oh, this is a hard topic, oh man, this is my whole life Like the hardest part of my life being revealed here. So everyone came through it. We were really careful and like understanding with everybody.
Speaker 1:So thank you for the answer. It was some things and I want to make sure that I say this correctly that was mentioned in the documentary and I want to make sure that I'm clear on it, but it was saying that job, job, awareness is don't don't stress college to me. I want to make sure I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:College is off limits. There's a few people that found there's a little bit of a leeway to like go learn how to be a plumber or how to do roofing or cleaning bathrooms, like I don't know if you'd be college for that, but you can go do the trades and they accepted that, so tech schools are acceptable, or like some technical understanding of like how to use Microsoft Word in the 90s. Take that class.
Speaker 1:It's fine, no-transcript.
Speaker 2:If you don't mind me asking. I mean, I think the general idea is like if you're, if you're exposed to new ideas, you'll probably leave religion, and that's kind of the warning, like don't go because you'll loop you. Let go, like leave the faith and you don't want to lose out on everlasting immortality. Right, right, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Anthony.
Speaker 3:No, it's fine. The way the way it's typically sold to the congregations is like oh, your kids are gonna go up to college. They're gonna get involved in binge drinkings, they'll probably have an orgy, they'll do drugs, they'll get some leftist ideas, they'll start believing in evolution. It'll take away time that they should be spending in church Activities. You know it's a whole bill of like yeah, you can go, but here's 110 reasons why you shouldn't go.
Speaker 2:And if you do go, we're gonna kind of look at you funny and if you if there's 110 reasons weren't good enough for you, it's the end of the world next week. So why would you waste your time going to school?
Speaker 3:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I have to be honest, I'm I've never been a hundred percent sold on college. I just not. You know I Am big on trade schools. However, I wouldn't I don't think I would ever tell my kids you can't go because the apocalypse is coming next week, but I do kind of feel like the trade school is a better way to go. However, I do feel like People should have that option, you know, if they do want to go to a college or university.
Speaker 3:Well, I feel like I feel like, you know, had I been 20 and I got a philosophy degree, yeah, they've been awesome. Sometimes in my life I've regretted not going to college and kind of felt like you know, down on myself, but, like man, life's given me one opportunity after another, and now I'm doing, you know, I'm living my dreams. I'm working on documentary films and and and making books and all that stuff. So it's like, on the one hand, you know, as a witness, I didn't have that opportunity, but I felt like, on the other hand, the tradeoff was it gave me, like, seriously, determination and DIY ethic and and life skills and drive to make it happen.
Speaker 1:There, you go. There you go. Now you out there in the woods, and I had a wolves. I had a wolves right now, right.
Speaker 3:That's our rooster.
Speaker 1:I'm like, man, this guy is a warrior. I Was gonna be worried, man. I mean, that would have been a viral moment if a wolf would have came out.
Speaker 2:Our copers just got knocked out by a wolf live on camera.
Speaker 1:So you all were talking about the music. So the name I believe the name of the group was nuclear, was it?
Speaker 2:Nuclear gopher is actually a music group. It's actually a music community. Okay, the music website and it's the nuclear gopher studios, is where everyone in that crew kind of recorded all their music. Okay, late 80s to the early 2000s, okay, it's still that. Studios reopening actually, which is cool. The other, yeah, and the film is rebooting nuclear gopher studios. It's functional now. Okay, alright, but it's a community of like three or four hundred musicians and about five hundred. So it's like a whole community of like undiscovered arts and films.
Speaker 3:Wow, bringing it to the public now that is awesome with it, like they just put up a website. They were in Minneapolis and I was down in st Louis and you know this guy had the know-how and dream to put up, like you know, one of the first websites to advertise this nuclear gopher thing. Yeah, well, that's how I got involved, you know, with them and making music and and playing shows and stuff, and it was awesome at the time because I was a kid, a religious kid that could only play in his basement, you know, okay, and let anybody know what you were doing, because they would look at you one way or another. But like being able to get introduced to that and go out there and meet those nuclear gopher people.
Speaker 3:Ryan, yeah, the documentary and some of the other people, man, it was just, it was a great time and an important part of my life and that's kind of why I'm. I'm so gung-ho behind this, this documentary, because it is really a snapshot of a special place in time not too many people experienced and you know, like it said in the documentary, for how long is it lasted? It was very special.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, it's. It seemed like you just just watching the footage it seemed like you all have some really, really special times, man. And then the music was awesome too as well. Are some of those artists touring, or you know like what's going on with their?
Speaker 2:careers. So Eric and Cindy elvendall they are highlighted in a deep way in the film. They have a new music project right now. I can't remember exactly how to say it Sakura something.
Speaker 3:You know, we should, we should learn it.
Speaker 2:They went through. Like Cindy elvendall is highlighted in the film throughout her whole musical journey, from like the inception of her learning how to play music All the way to her being kind of a rock goddess in high TV. Yeah, hi, he's like it's a documentary. So after high TV she puffed out all female ex-witness band and they were awesome also Cindy's voice. And then now they have their new project. And then Ryan Sutter has his music out. He's on like album 13 or something.
Speaker 2:Okay, so a lot of that music is like in in the, in the Kickstarter available. I mean all the music in there we're talking about send the Kickstarter, okay, but he's still actively playing and he's tracking a new album. He's just wrapping up like the last 5% of mastering on his related album, capistrano. Okay, plays actively. I Think that's total. And then there's like the podcast, when it's undergone podcasts, which we talked about. That's working with active artists. So in that they're also evolved in the Kickstarter. So we have the bloody Tuesdays, who are actively making new music and they're really, really cool. And then Wesley David music is like 90s, like Kind of 90s, yep, indie rock, like you're gonna do rock, catchy licks and poppy Stuff, very 90s. And then yeah, but it uses like psych, psych rock, lots of layers and just like out very, very 1970s, ask in 1960s, ask he's got a 90s-ish album coming next. He was telling me recently. Okay, um.
Speaker 1:What song? What three, three artists, three artists that sing your playlists Run the jewels, oh, oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2:Crazy, pure, classic. What's their name? Jets to Brazil, slash Jawbreaker from the 90s or a huge influence on me. I absolutely loved those artists.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:If you ever heard of them.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I have it, but I might. I'm gonna check them out now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're amazing. Got any, Anthony, what's your got?
Speaker 3:some three I don't know. I'll throw out three. The first one's gonna seem like really on the nose, but Colts I really love them.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:There's this band Cannons I've been listening to, which is kind of like disco-y and kind of retro sounding but like I don't know, it's just poppy and fun like porch party type stuff, okay. And then when I want to slow it down I'm on Widow's Peak, which is kind of like the sly guitar country draw, kind of lady heroin chic, I don't know. It's just kind of that down tempo, kind of low-firing, chill stuff.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, okay I got an album. I got an album that will blow your mind. That's blown my mind and my metal friends love this and it's a minimalist German techno from Dominik Oylberg and it's called Monik Faltik. It's like white with a triangle. It's like an amazing album, start to finish. I've listened to it a thousand times for the pandemic. It's like the soundtrack to my life the last few years. I absolutely love that album. You can work out to it, you can party to it.
Speaker 1:You're gonna have to spell that out. Send it to me in the chat, because it's gonna take me a minute to get that. Anthony, you said something earlier about playing. What instrument do you play?
Speaker 3:I don't consider myself a musician like back in the nuclear gopher days. I think it was like every other young 20-something that heard Nirvana and decided to go get a guitar. But back in the day we did electro pop music kind of like Lady Tron type stuff, you know synths, guitars, drum machine. So I did some stuff back in the day. I recently bought a guitar and I made it back into it like a lot of there's a lot of trauma wrapped up in music for me. So I switched gears and wrote books and got into film.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay. Well, I'm not gonna hold you guys. Like I said, I truly do, sincerely, do appreciate your time and I sincerely lend you. I appreciate you guys. Let me check out that, the documentary. I dug it, I liked it a lot. I learned, like I said, I didn't know anything about the college thing and I'm gonna go watch it again because I know they said something about you can't masturbate, but I think every religion said you can't do that.
Speaker 2:I think I made a big deal of it, though it's pretty funny that that's a thing you remembered. Actually, one of the guys, he brought his whole family to the screening for our big screening in Minneapolis in 2021. At Sound Unseen Film Festival. And he's like, he's like to the father-in-law, like hey, this is the part where my music coming on, and he's like, and Eric's like and what I know they're gonna talk about how you can't masturbate, and he's like. He's like that's the part of my film that has my music on it. Is this like one moment talking about masturbation?
Speaker 1:Okay. So before you guys get up out here, I want to play a game real quick.
Speaker 3:Have you no mind, it's not hard.
Speaker 1:All right. So this part of the show is the game portion. So this game is called 4 for 4, not the Wendy's thing, because I don't want to get sued, so this has nothing to do with Wendy's. But I'm going to give you all a word or a phrase and you just have to respond with four words. All right, so y'all can take turns and you don't have to use the word or the phrase in your four words. So just say, like, for example, if I say masturbation, you can't do that. Yeah, four, four words. You know what I'm saying? All right, so ready. First one.
Speaker 3:Group think.
Speaker 1:Not necessary to survive here, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Good one Okay.
Speaker 2:Rehearsal here.
Speaker 1:Important for your album. That's good. That's good, Scott. What?
Speaker 3:about you, anthony. I was good at my first inclination was it's time, wait or never mind, I just go on.
Speaker 1:This one is for you, Anthony Wolves.
Speaker 3:Leave my chickens alone.
Speaker 1:All right, y'all, last one, humanity.
Speaker 3:Peace, love, soul, everything. But that's not a phrase, that's a string of words.
Speaker 1:No, that's for peace, love, peace, love, soul, everything. That's a t-shirt, bro. That's a t-shirt. Hey, um, is it anything you want to lead the people with? To let them know how to support the Kickstarter, or anything like that? Letting know?
Speaker 2:right now, bro Winnes. Underground calm redirects to the Kickstarter. So when it's underground calm and they'll always be there for news about the film and Supporting at any levels important to us, it's not just give us your money. You're getting a lot out of it. Like. You can download the film. The film's available for the first time in this Kickstarter. All the music We've ever dreamed to put together is all been donated by the artist to support the release of the movie, including nine books, including three books that anthony wrote. So you just met the author and it's a. It's a big collaborative art collective that's living on in the podcast. And check out the film. I think it'll change your life in some way. Is that correct on the screen? Yeah, you got it. Yes, that's perfect, oh.
Speaker 3:I got a documentary on to me. It's free now if anyone wants to look at it. It's called nightlife. It's about a ministry of violence, interruption and on the streets of north st Louis. So that's free on to me. But, most importantly, go to witness underground calm and support this documentary. This is this is the one I got a heart for. This is the one that I really believe in and I want to get it on on to be as well. I want to get the people to see it.
Speaker 1:Appreciate it. Thank you, guys for your time. Um, if it's anything you you need from me or anything like that, just hit me up. Um, it was awesome talking to you all and, uh, no problem, man, no problem luck with your show.
Speaker 2:I really appreciate you having us. It's been awesome.
Speaker 1:No problem. Thanks Scott, thanks anthony, you all be cool, man, peace. Yeah, yeah, all right, y'all. Yo, uh, man, thank you to my very special guest, scott homing, and my man, anthony I I don't want to butch in it, you all seen him, anthony. Um, y'all, make sure that y'all check out witness underground. The documentary is dope, y'all, the documentary is dope. And make sure y'all check out the podcast, witness underground podcast.
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