The S.H.I.T.T.S Podcast
The S.H.I.T.T.S Podcast
Musical Reflections: Hip-Hop's Evolution and Impact
Twenty-two years ago, MarcGee and I solidified a bond over our shared passion for hip-hop, and the beat hasn't stopped since. On this latest episode, we take a trip down memory lane, exploring the impact this unique genre has had on our lives and the wider world. We touch on the generational connection to hip-hop, dissect the evolution of the genre, and share our mutual respect for the music without sounding like disgruntled fans from the past.
Buckle up as we engage in a spirited dialogue with my brothers, Ty Barnett and Marc, on the peaks and valleys of recent music releases. We let our hair down, sharing moments of excitement and disappointment about various albums, including CrimeApple, Little Brother, and D'Angelo. The conversation takes a turn as we debate the experimental direction of Andre 3000's latest project. We might not always agree, but our shared love for the music keeps the conversation enlightening and entertaining.
To round off this musical journey, we look back at the dynamic landscape of hip-hop and the indelible mark Andre 3000 has left on the industry. We stress on the value of lyrics and wordplay in contemporary hip-hop and highlight the changing tastes in music, all while sharing some nuggets of wisdom for anyone dreaming of a successful career in media. Join us for this insightful episode filled with laughter, learning, and a whole lot of love for hip-hop.
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Yeah, yeah, what, what, what, what, what the deal is y'all, what up? Y'all. This, your boy, my Assumption rod, the coolest cat you heard this far, and I like to welcome you out to the shit's podcast Away, either shooting the shit Stars from shit or picking up a shit left off. Y'all, like I said, I'm your host, my sons to Rob, yo, hey, y'all I got. I'm geeked up. I'm geeked up tonight for this way y'all, because for this show I Got my brothers on here. You know I'm saying I got my brothers, I got my, I got my dark brother and I got my light brother on here. You know I'm saying so. It's gonna be interesting podcast.
Speaker 1:Um, before I go any further, I gotta give some mad shout out to the ownership club. Make sure y'all check us out Every Sunday 9 pm To 11 pm. I want a 6.3. So one of 6.3 fm. Also, once you get done checking out the show, head over to the Hadaway at 1245 Burnham Avenue and that's in Calumet City, illinois. And also for my adults out there that's doing adult things, I make sure y'all check out club infamous at Ice lounge net here.
Speaker 1:So, with that being said, y'all, like I said, I got very special guests To the podcast. Now y'all can tell I'm geeked up like a motherfucker, um, and so my first guess I'm acting do Honestly. I want to say about shit. 22 years ago it's a long time, like. How many people think about this? How many people, how many people do you know how many people are still cool with somebody after 22 years of knowing them, probably longer than that met him down at the cotton club and Ever since then we've been rocking and rolling, making music and just putting in work. So what I further do, I want y'all to put y'all hands together and show some love for the one, the only, mark G. What up?
Speaker 2:man, great intro man, thank you.
Speaker 1:No problem, how you feeling, man, how you feeling.
Speaker 2:I'm feeling great, man. It's good to be good to be with you man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it how you week been man.
Speaker 2:You know it's fine, you know just. You know doing my do my thing, day job, and you know trying to get my moments of creativity and still you know enjoying my life so, speaking of being speaking, to being creative, I would like for you to tell the people about the YouTube channel, because you do some.
Speaker 1:You do something that I feel is very Is is very informative, but also very entertaining, and I think it's something that, like anybody that really want to know about hip-hop or even music in general, really need to get into them. What, so can you tell us, tell them people, about it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, first of all, thank you, because I, you know, I just Sit down and start talking, so I don't know if it's informative or entertaining. So I appreciate both those things. But yeah, I love hip-hop, you know. I mean you know me for a long, long time now and you know hip-hop has been a just a very important part of my life, mm-hmm, and I I started just doing these little videos where I talk about songs that I love or artists that I love, and I started kind of putting them just on on my YouTube channel just to, you know, get them out there.
Speaker 2:And you know it's a small channel and it's not a ton of viewership, but I do get some great feedback from people and you know, I just uh, you know I just love to be creative and I love to be doing stuff. So, you know, that's that's kind of the crux of it. I think what it is is I I ran out of people to tell my stories. Everybody who knows me like, okay, I don't care where you, you know, were the first time you heard the message.
Speaker 1:But they suckers and anybody that says that is a straight sucker.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I think people from our generation you know hip-hop, you know heads from our generation Just have a more of a connection to it, you know that's it.
Speaker 1:That's it right there oh.
Speaker 1:By the way, before I forget, I love to do a lot of dude. You, you, you hit it right on the head, man. It's like, well, you know what, anytime we, anytime people make comments like that, especially people at our age we run the risk of sounding like the bitter, the bitter old guy. You know, I'm Sam when we make statements like we just had a better connection with it. And Speaking of connections, my next guess this is my dark brother right here. This is my light brother right here. I'm bringing on my dark brother. He's been on many times, very hilarious comedian, talented actor, wonderful father, wonderful brother. He's be a horrible wrestler, but we're not gonna get into that, and he used to rap. Actually he's the person that made me want to emcee Ty Barnett, y'all.
Speaker 3:What's up? What's up everybody? What's up, baby bro? What up mark? How you feeling, bro? Great Ty, good to see you, man. You too, man. It's been a while, definitely.
Speaker 1:What I man. So, like I said, man this, I'm telling the people I'm really geeked up because I got both my brothers on here. You know, I'm saying I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 3:Um, I'm just the brother that used to throw shoes out.
Speaker 1:And and and. Mark is the brother that introduced me to the one hitter Always got to tell a story. When I first I told you when up, when mark first pulled out there one hitter, I was worried cuz I was. I was like I was like shit, I want to do music with the dude but I don't want to do the honor crack shit.
Speaker 3:It's funny because you know they got a. They got a strain of wheat called green crack and so when I went to go buy it, I asked to do it as a hey man, ain't no crack in this? And the dude just laugh no, no, no man. I need to answer, bro, there's no crack in this in the week.
Speaker 1:Um, I need to be running down the street naked.
Speaker 3:They be like I told them.
Speaker 1:Um, so so. So my first question to to both of you all is uh, who was the last musical artist that made you anticipate they laid this project that made you say you know what, it doesn't even have to be hip hop, it could be what up. Who was the last artist that you said I can't wait for they shit to drop?
Speaker 2:You know I, I just you know me, I still try to stay up on on on things here and there. You know it's. I mean, there's so much coming at you from so many directions, but I really was anticipating the second Prime Apple album. That dude I think he's super dope, the okay, he did a whole thing with, um, dj mugs that I thought was was really cool. Yeah, you put me on to that. And, uh, like recently, the Alchemist just dropped one too that I was anticipating. So okay, did it.
Speaker 1:Did it um, did it disappoint or did it meet your standards?
Speaker 2:No, I love them, I love both of them Actually. You know, I think there's still really good hip hop out there, if you, if you know where to look for it, you know yeah, what about you bro?
Speaker 3:uh, little brother, actually, uh, ah, they, uh, they. They just released a. I guess you would call it an ep. But uh, you know, uh, uh, wish me well. Uh, the two singles are, there's two singles off that. And then, um, may god bless, is it was it called? May god bless the one that they are the one before.
Speaker 1:Before the one that has sitting alone on it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah. So I would say Lil Brother, but like, as far as you know, like R&B, the last album that I remember getting in it being disappointing was the D'Angelo Uh-huh. Yeah, dude you didn't like that.
Speaker 2:The band vocal.
Speaker 3:You know what I didn't like the mark is you listen to his vocals in Brown Sugar and Voodoo is so prominent, like, you hear him in every tone. Yep, in Vanguard, like it was almost like he didn't believe in his voice enough to have it highlighted because you would have to listen like, oh, he's singing, I hear him, but like, and y'all notice, y'all do music, y'all do music, y'all know when an artist wants you to hear their pitch, their tone, they want their vocals up versus the instruments and I felt like he just wanted the instruments to kind of muffle a little bit and it just didn't sound like that that's an excellent point now that I think about it, right, because when I'm singing along with it, there are parts where I don't know what the hell he's saying and I'm just like making D'Angelo sounds Like.
Speaker 2:When I sing along with Michael McDonald, you know, this part's like Exactly.
Speaker 3:Like it wasn't garbage. It wasn't garbage, it just was when you heard, when you listen, even now to this day, you listen to Brown Sugar and Voodoo you're like man, that's a big difference.
Speaker 2:Voodoo is just.
Speaker 1:Chris man Voodoo, like I think he stepped out his body with that one.
Speaker 3:So when it came time for the because I was one of the people that was super excited I'm like yo, there's no way in the world it ain't going to be dope, it's cool and, like I said, I think I had put the bar so high for it that I was. I was disappointed in what I expected. Now, if you go back and listen to it again, it's not trash, it's just it's not what those other two out before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's a fair, fair assessment.
Speaker 1:So, speaking of probably not meeting expectations, has anybody checked out Andre 3000's latest project?
Speaker 3:I have. I have heard a, I saw, heard a couple snippets on it on on on YouTube and man, look, I'm going to tell you like this Again when you look at what he's trying to do, I get it. You got to expand your mind. It's almost like remember how we talked about Jay-Z? Got got shit talked about him for the 444 album and because they ain't talking about the same shit this time, I before. So this is like oh, they mature. So I think a lot of people with Andre 3000, it's his own fault that people are not looking at it the same way, because if he was a trash MC, yeah, I don't think people will be as disappointed, but he's such a dope MC. People like bro give us a verse.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Right, that's what it is. With that I mean again, man, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm up there in age. So you know, I always need some music to meditate, to.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I think that's the best part. And the reason I laughed is not because I think it's trash, it's just because people are so triggered by this thing. You know, like you've got the, you've got the. Like the hip hop guys like, oh you know, I don't even want to hear it, he's not rapping. And then you've kind of got the people who want to come out as trarians and be like no, it's dope.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:And I don't agree with either one of them. You know, like I, I I listen to the entire album, you know and funny times I did. I put the whole thing. I was cleaning my house, you know right.
Speaker 1:Hey man, you could have cut your grass with scissors. How long that album was.
Speaker 2:This is what he ties on your Instagram, where you were like, oh nice little intro. Oh yeah, that's what the album feels like. It feels like it alludes an intro, you know, and kicks into me. You know, I didn't expect it to be hip hop. And it doesn't have to be because, like Ty said, people grow and mature and you know, the guy flat out says he doesn't feel like he has anything to rap about. So why would we want to hear from somebody who doesn't think they have anything to say? You know, my opinion is it could use some drums. Yeah, something else is basically all about it. There's going to be a ton of people sampling it.
Speaker 1:Oh, definitely, Definitely. I want to say that for me, like my first, one of my first thoughts of the album was that intro. I thought that shit was longer than Draymond Gray's suspension.
Speaker 2:These are like 12 weeks long.
Speaker 1:I was like I was listening to it and I was like, oh, okay, and I was like then I passed the toll booth and I'm like I ended up in Wisconsin, which was three hours away. It was still on Like what the fuck.
Speaker 3:It was like track one. Damn, this is first track. Okay, yeah, we'll be minutes into the album, they're still track one.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, right, and I did the titles. What was the hold on? I got put my whole make.
Speaker 1:Oh man, dude the titles.
Speaker 2:I swear, I really wanted to make a rap album, but this is literally the way the wind blew me this time.
Speaker 3:Track one and that's what I said. Like that's where you and I totally forgot that they did this. Ian Peele did a sketch.
Speaker 1:Somebody just told me about that. Somebody just told me about that.
Speaker 3:And if you talking about predicting the fucking future, yeah, they're like like they got a T wearing like a one of them hats and Robin Hood hats with like a feather through it. I'm about to do this thing. If you go back and look at it now, you're like, god damn, they actually kind of called that yeah, in a sense. But that's what I mean by like like. I met this dude one time before and he's a nice cat and this is what I mean by like. And I'm glad Mark wrote up the video I put up, because when I put their project together, I was sitting there thinking I don't want people to think I'm shitting on Andre 3000. Right, right, I'm not. I'm not saying if you and so I had and you know this, bro branding, wording and everything when it comes to putting something out. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3:So when I, when I did it and it really just came off with when my kid, you know I was actually doing some other stuff I was editing something and I said, oh man, that'd be kind of cool, let me see if I can do this quick. But in putting it together and typing up stuff, I said, okay, I need to write it up in a way to where people won't think this. So I said the best way to write it is if outcasts, when outcasts, fans expect lyrics from Andre 3000. Yeah, and that way nobody could be offended by my sketch, because I'm like this is just. If you turn, he's like oh shit, like if you didn't, you saw no interviews, right? You saw no interviews from him talking about his plan to flu or whatever.
Speaker 2:You just like.
Speaker 3:I under 3000 first time in 17 years. And then you listen to he like he was like this the Pinocchio soundtrack Like the fuck. You pardoning up with didn't mean what's happening, bro.
Speaker 2:So many people dusted off speakerbikes and custard.
Speaker 3:They trying to, they trying to loop it together Like you know what. Maybe this is just he wants us to mix them together. We got to play them together with the thing.
Speaker 1:I thought about the comment that you had said earlier about Mark, when you said that he said he didn't have anything to rap about anymore. And I seen that clip too, and he was like, well, I think I'm 47 years old. What I'm gonna rap about? Colossumby, colossumby's and my eyesight going back. But it made me think, but it really made me think. Isn't that art, though? Couldn't somebody make that? Couldn't somebody make that interesting? Like, think about it. Biz Marky made a song about picking boogers.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the thing you know, and I'm 54, right, you know, but you don't look it. Oh, bless you.
Speaker 1:Start playing the flute. Go ahead, though, but here's my thing.
Speaker 2:When he said that, I thought he was selling himself short, and especially as somebody who's advancing in age. You know, I feel all kinds of shit. You know like I think about all kinds of things. You know I've just never been creative enough to put them into lyrics, but to me your adult life is offering a lot of interactive and a lot of things to write about.
Speaker 3:If you got 18 million mumble rappers that can rap about Sip and Serb Lean and all that stuff, I know he can talk about some stuff and then you could you hear and this again this is his own fault, because you even hear him on features and you're like, god damn, bro, come on, let's get the whole project in, because his features are so dope.
Speaker 2:So what you like you did on the last tribe album that yeah, that was fucking awesome.
Speaker 1:And do what he did on Killer Mike's album. He had a line. He had a line I know the whole verse is dope, but I know he had a line in there where he said who could don't really do shit. And I was like that one line hit me because I was just having a conversation with a coworker man. I was like why the fuck do people smoke hooker? You know what I'm saying. And just that line I was like that's real life shit. So, like you said, for you to say that you at a certain age you don't have anything to talk about, I think that is kind of selling yourself short, because do you, fucking genius?
Speaker 2:You see what I'm saying the dope of season season, the game or the old guys still.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 3:And that's why I think when he with him saying, because I think people would want to hear that, like, like people our age, you know, we want to hear, we want to get excited about hip hop, right, like I, like you know what happened the other day and I haven't posted this video yet. I'm going to put it up the other day but I was watching throwback Thursdays is like some video show or whatever and they was playing.
Speaker 1:It was full righteous teachers Time to get punky little hip as I get to the point.
Speaker 3:Exactly, and then wake up brand new, bien, yeah, and I'm watching this video and no bullshit. I almost started crying and I'm like, why am I crying at a hip hop video? And I was like, oh, because they don't do this shit, no more. Right, they don't do this, no more. The music that we grew up on and what they talked about, you don't see that now. You don't hear it now. And so, with somebody like Andre, 3000 has a chance and again, everything is he can do what he wants to do. You know, as an artist, but I'm saying it as a fan, yeah, you get excited like bro. Come on, man, let's see. What do you think about where we as a country, where do you think we are?
Speaker 3:as a people, let's let me hear you on that.
Speaker 1:What is?
Speaker 3:the rap about.
Speaker 1:Oh, what do you think about your experience getting your colonoscopy? I mean like, I mean like real shit. No pun intended, you know, stand like straight up. I mean because if you think about it, if you think about it, there there is subject matter right there, but he went to get his colonoscopy.
Speaker 3:That was he, our part too.
Speaker 1:So let me ask this question when you think about the term in temporary hip hop, what do you think of? Well, like what? What comes to mind?
Speaker 2:You know, I think of guys like us. You know people who still feel it and still do it. You know, you know, listen, this is the 20th year, 20th year of our first album. Our first album was 20 years ago. There you go, and I remember us being in the studio talking and I said one day they're going to call what we do adult contemporary hip hop.
Speaker 1:You sure did.
Speaker 2:I did right it was house hell.
Speaker 1:I mean kids going there.
Speaker 2:There wasn't, I right. But really though, because that's what made me gravitate towards you. When I saw you perform at the Codd Club, I was impressed by the fact that you weren't talking about your fucking necklace, you know, or how many people you shot, even though everybody in the place knew you didn't. You know Right?
Speaker 3:I don't say tell you about that, because I ain't heard shit about it.
Speaker 2:You would do in the crackhead song, yeah, like that's a great song. That's a great song, you know, and every one of your songs was like that. So that's what I think of. You know, I don't really consider what I hear a lot of is truly being hip hop, even though I don't make much of a distinction between rap and hip hop. It's all one thing. It's just not what we grew up on, you know, right, but I just to me, that reminds me of people who are ill-viable from our generation.
Speaker 3:What about you? Yeah, I would say the same thing Because, like I said, in watching those videos the other day and thinking about the difference between, because those videos think about, we used to rush home to take these videos.
Speaker 1:Man.
Speaker 3:It matters if somebody takes over them, Like who takes?
Speaker 1:over them yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. But those artists, those messages, those images, those images raised us to a certain degree. You know it, did, it did. Those are the. So when I hear people still from that time, it's funny. They just did an interview in KRF One. They asked them, they quoted it was a rap city thing. They was talking about rap city. The documentaries I can't really tell they were the rap. And so they talked about his verse. 50 years down the line you can start this.
Speaker 1:Because we'll be the old school artists. I feel like I got to look like Kairos. When I say it and even at that time I don't say you're wrong A brand new style.
Speaker 2:A brand new style.
Speaker 1:Wicked and wild, like you have to.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 1:Like anybody that's seen the Kairos interview, you know you cannot just say it like brand new style, like you're wicked and wild.
Speaker 3:That's right. So that's what I think about that. Because it is music, like I said, you can hear it in, you can play it in your car, you'll hear it in somebody else's car and you'll be like, oh, that's fine, whatever. You get nostalgic as opposed to like I don't get excited about this new music.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say like this.
Speaker 3:He doesn't find like the distinction between the labels. But I know you see a distinguish distinguishment and the essence, absolutely the essence, is a thousand times different and that's what I miss about it. Like I miss getting excited about lyrics. I miss about you know, word play or something. And I always tell, I always tell, I always want to tell him what. I know he's a professional right now. I always call him my son, I always say my son, but I've always loved about what he does is his word play and he knows this. He knows I told him, like he played me something. I'm like yo, that's what you said. This, this, this, that's what I get into. Some people like the beats more. I'm more like what do you think what? Oh no, that's crazy. So that's what I think about when it comes to contemporary hip hop, where lyrics matter and they mesh with the beat. Well, and then you get something from it. It makes you full when you leave there, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like when I think about contemporary hip hop, like the first artist that I really think of is Lil Brother and I think of Fante, like I don't know the whole verse, but it's the line and sitting alone. But he said something along the lines of he said I got to call some and he said we celebrating. He said yeah, my son's graduating. It's two graduations, him from high school and me from child support payments. And I was like, and he was like then he sent me a flyer. He sent me a flyer with eight different sort of pictures on it. I'm thinking to myself, damn man, this is one. And I get there. I'm thinking, damn Joe, this shit is boring.
Speaker 1:I'm saying but it's just that, like when I, when I first.
Speaker 3:When he said you had the club watching Ho's Diddy Bob, you would rather be at home watching Flipper Flop and then it all depends.
Speaker 1:He was like I took a picture and I posted on my I on my IG, yet it looked fire. It looked, it looked good, but it was all lies like firefest. You know what I'm saying. And it was like stuff like that dude, that it was not just clever, but it was stuff that was late, that was relatable because you know, saying, you do have those moments you could be like I'd rather be inside, like I don't, I don't want to be at the club. You know what I'm saying, and and and and. That's what I kind of feel like it feels like it's more relatable at this age. Also, let me ask this Do you believe it's more challenging for hip hop artists to to evolve with subject matter and still make it interesting? And what I mean by that is it may be, it might. People may seem people may think it's more interesting to say I shot for, I shot for motherfuckers compared to I just paid my mortgage early. So you know I'm saying something like that, like is it more challenging once you get older?
Speaker 2:You know, to me it's like it's OK. So you have like one end of it where it's just you know you can tell guys aren't even right and they're going in the just vibing out, right yeah, you know drinking a bunch of cough syrup and you know just going out right, right, that right. And then you have the other end of the spectrum where you know you have People with something to say and I think as long as you're an interesting person and you have interesting views and you have skills on the mic, you're able to do that. You know to really come off, you know and and and really achieve that. But what I hear a lot of these days is a lot of like what I would. I don't know what I would turn is like fake depth, almost like you know saying things that they think are super duper heavy and they're just not.
Speaker 2:That you know not that deep, not that interesting, you know Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I say that that's about right, because the thing is, when you look at, that ain't my dog. Yeah, that ain't me. Yeah, when you look at where we, we look at where we are. And again I got to keep going back to watching these old videos. We said, man, that that's what those cats were talking about then and some of it still translates to now. You just don't see it. As much knowledge, with some understanding, all that shit is still necessary. You just don't hear people talking about it.
Speaker 3:Don't anymore Shoot we need it now more than ever.
Speaker 3:Exactly, I told I got emotional mark, like I was watching this, like what, like something shifted, and so when I see people say well, they say they can't grow, I honestly feel like that person's being lazy in that understanding, because I can tell you right now, I'll go see a concert, I'll see an old school concert, I'll go see Rock Kim, I'll go see Kane Karris One. I just saw a little brother at the Brooklyn Bowl, like a few months ago, and again they actually had this running joke. They was like yo, we grown, we know y'all want to get home. So we started on time, right, and we said we're going to eat, that's what we do, right, and no one looked at those concerts and said, tom man, it's trash bro. We looked at it like, oh, thank you, this is what we've been missing. So I think that you can.
Speaker 3:It just has to be something where you, as the artist, wants to do that and you say, well, I'm in modern times. What do I have to contribute for modern times Right Now, whether they receive it or not, right, right, that part, like you can't control, like, and you know we've talked about this a lot when it comes to content and what we create and we put out there. And like you got to see, like all of this shit in my head I'm like I'm trying to do fucking Spike Lee shit. You know spiel work shit. There's like special effects and stuff because my brand and what I want to put out there has to represent me, whether I'm here or years after I'm gone. I want people to find these things and say these when people don't value that. That's where the problem comes in at, because you can't, like I said, you can't control how they receive it, but you can always control what you put out there, exactly.
Speaker 2:It's like staying consistent on your message, you know, and I think that's where Andre 2000 got hung up. He's worried too much about what people will think, you know, rather than just expressing himself. You know, I think it's a generational thing, Ty, because, like what you were saying about, you know, getting emotional. You know, that's exactly why I started my little YouTube channel and I did a video about Rock Kim when I talked about that.
Speaker 2:You know, being a grown man, you know, still to this day I am utilizing the energy and the principles that hip hop instilled in me. You know, I wasn't a 5%er, but having knowledge of self made sense to me, you know, and it made me want to, you know, be slow and cool and measured in my actions, like Rock Kim, you know, and just a lot of that stuff made me who I am today and still continues to tell me through life. And I think that's the connection that maybe you know not saying the younger kids don't like good music or anything like that, but they'll never understand how we came up with the birth of it, through the struggles of it not being recognized at the Grammys. You know, I've watched the.
Speaker 2:Grammys since 83,. You know, Maybe 84, whenever it was that Rocket won and Grandmixer DXT was on. But I haven't watched it since, you know, because fuck the Grammys right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:And that's the thing. Like you won't find. It was like I think, this younger generation, what they are into and what they vibe to, is a lot different than what we, because the Sonics are different. The Sonics are different, like for us, by the time the BPMs are different too.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, exactly so, by the time. So for us coming up by the time a rock came around this is after the transition of the run, dmc. What occurred is blows. Yeah, I take seven MCs, put them in a line and ask more brothers who think they can rhyme. We'll take seven more before I go. And that's when you want to see it up at the same time, when we got that everything else is like okay. Right Now we hear with this and you say, now we got to take it first and I had dumb.
Speaker 1:I had dumb motherfuckers that was listening to that and we'll be blown away Like man that's cold. He was like we'll get it, oh, get it.
Speaker 2:I could have never handled that. What was it? My was always a second album. I was left on my path as a crash of boots. Whoever refused and who's right past.
Speaker 3:I was like no, but those types of things is where, I think for us at the we, we were introduced to lyrics and we became accustomed to lyrics. We became accustomed to deep lyrics and messages. Yeah, then something shifted to where these people like you don't even know how many people are here say I don't listen to the lyrics.
Speaker 2:What is that? Well, I don't draw on film because that's the thing I can't do. You know, I can make beats but I don't have anything. I used to rap, but when you, when you stop being able to rap about your zodiac sign and shit like that, I gave it up, you know. You know, I just do it. Mar that had a C that feels market, hey, that's me, because I'm a YGY fly guy baby that you can't deny was born in the world.
Speaker 2:Oh, my business wrap will never die and I go by the sign of Gemini, oh bars.
Speaker 1:Hey bro, we could have put that on Andre 3000 new album and and it did something with it, you know you couldn't rap like that, I stopped trying.
Speaker 2:and because you guys are saying stuff you know, right, that's always what attracted me to it, because, like, here's the point of just putting out something with a good beat.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean by like. So to your original question muscle is it? I think rebranding is always possible because we still go see Denzel Washington movies. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. We still look at Sam Jackson, we still we, we expect the no one's like sitting there talking about man. I ain't gonna listen to Beyonce because she don't sound like that's me. Yeah, right, right, she's on this now. Or Erica Badoe, but you know it's. I just think what has to happen is one being true to yourself. That's one, but two, it has to be this thing where you are genuine and what you're trying to get to the people, because, again, how they receive it, you can't control that. All you can do is put it out there. And if you look at Jay Z's album, jay Z was talking about where Jay Z is now, right, right, and Nas is talking about where Nas is now.
Speaker 1:Especially like Nas, especially because you said that I thought especially because it seems like to me, like to me, nas feels, nas feels more relatable compared to Jay Z. You know what I'm saying? Right, both of them are commendable because I think they have evolved lyrically and with their subject matter and it really made me think about is it that challenge? Is it that challenge to evolve with subject matter that actually puts an age limit on hip-hop?
Speaker 2:You get, I'm saying I think people trying to stay Up with young trends and playing themselves is what matters. You know what I think of, and this is terrible because I love the Isley brothers. But remember when Ron Isley was running and he was wearing those fight suits and all that stuff and he just played himself. You know, and I'm just like you're not mr Big to me, man, you're Ronald Isley. Oh, right side to side to between the sheets, I mean, come on, man, you know right, he's sitting there dressed with a, you know, a wave cap and Irish pimp.
Speaker 2:And it may be sad you know, and I think, that's the thing that makes you know people not be relatable. Yeah, I'm sure you're on generation.
Speaker 1:And that's a great point and it's crazy that you say that, because I remember my wife was talking about the verses and she was saying how good that, how good my eyes he looked, because it's like he embraced His age. You know, I'm saying he embraced his age and it was like he had the, the, the salt and pepper beard, and he looked like, like a distinguished older man. You know, I'm saying instead of somebody, you know, perverted ass, uncle, that. You know, sam, just when you got a flight suit, you know I'm saying and some joy and some forming mills.
Speaker 3:Someone that counts am like man, y'all need to have this PR team fire. Oh, don't do it and that's. But that's that's what I mean by like when you see someone like a Ron Isley In embracing that and say, okay, that, because we. I mean you ain't fooling nobody. The jumpsuit ain't fooling nobody, bro. No, right you. And do you, because that's the dude we check what prime example man and maize and Frankie bevel they've been the same, yeah, for decades. It needs to have zero problems.
Speaker 2:So in T, yeah at all, why does Frankie Beverly seem like he's been?
Speaker 3:Man, because anything is somebody, those in the groups and, like I said, we grew up with them for a reason and we stuck with them for a reason. It's a finding, knowing that your audience is still there. Like I told you, when you go to a concert and you go see somebody that you have, that you have followed their career, yeah, you want to see them be the same way. That's what you want, like you know. Yeah, don't get me wrong. Of course you want, you know, a new song here and there, but I'm not gonna complain if you sing in the classics. I'm gonna complain about that, I'm not right. And when it comes to hip hop, I Want hip hop to grow and mature. That's what I wanted to do, because I've grown, I've matured. You know, many times I sit there and I watch, like you ever been watching, flipping through the channels, and you stop on the video and then, like you, find yourself looking at it like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1:With the band-aid, with the band-aid under the and and a do rag with the hat on. It's like why was we doing that? What was our t-shirts that big?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's what I mean by like.
Speaker 3:You want. You want to grow with these artists. So when you have an artist that does want to talk about grow mess of like I listen to that 444 album and I remember a lot of people saying, oh man, this is trash. And I listened to it I'm like, well, he's talking about black and power, I'm talking about investments, I'm about building wealth and yeah, the problem is, I didn't crash at all.
Speaker 2:I thought right, nice, and I thought he was talking about some stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what you want, like I don't. I don't want, because you know, like who was I listening to? And I said, man, you got, you got to stop this. Um, I want to say it was too short. Maybe it was too short. Come on man. Come on man. What you doing, bro? Nobody want to see no, 60, 70 year old dude talking about pimping hoes. Man, don't do that. You can do the classics, you go. You do the old school concerts. That's cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah always listen to the ocean, but I don't want to hit no new song, right and hope, yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1:And and it's cool if you, you know you do Freaky tails and biatch because I know my auntie gonna sing along with it and shit like that, but not, not not the newest up, because it seemed like you're trying to Right, you see, yeah, you know cuz. Then it kind of feel like you made it for my nieces and that's Then it seems kind of seems kind of perverted, too short. So I'm not gonna hold y'all too. I got it. But I gotta say this much man, I honestly I sincerely do appreciate y'all hopping on man, because I love y'all, love y'all to death man. Yeah, I tell y'all anytime I talk to y'all. But I gotta ask this question now.
Speaker 1:This is kind of off topic, but it's still a plastic from grown grown man shit. So I was thinking in in an effort to make partying More peaceful and hold people accountable. I thought about this what do y'all think If people have? If people wanted to go to a party, they had to get a reference. They had to get three adult references that day. You see no saying, and those three adult references would be held. We'd be held liable if you do some stupid shit. You see no saying, cuz, if you think about it. Hey, bro, I'm. No, it's a cousin's. Then I'm not fucking vouching for.
Speaker 3:Man, you start seeing it.
Speaker 2:If you already thought two cousins but it's funny that you say that because I thought of my young self. I was like who could I have got to bounce for me being busy and show up and there be creepy what the end of the driver go.
Speaker 3:But yeah, that's reasonable. Yeah, I think so a because you don't want like. First of all, I ain't been to a house party in a long time. Yeah, long, long, long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they won't be playing the new Andre 3000 album either, but go ahead though.
Speaker 3:Actually, to be honest with you, you know, ain't gonna shit, ain't shit popping off. Oh, if you play that one, this house party, you can go. Yeah, you walking there, you like. Okay, we're drinking wine, chardonnay, maybe we smoking out. Okay, if you walk in any of us, we walk into a party now and they playing hip, that bitch, hold up.
Speaker 2:I think this girl likes me.
Speaker 1:You said, somebody definitely got fired after they watch it somebody.
Speaker 3:There are certain things you do if you're a public person. You have to know you gotta have people to send you because that's forever. Yeah, that's, that happened years ago and we still talking about it. Yeah, that was yes. So, when it comes to perception, it's a big deal. And also for anyone our age going to any gathering, and this is what people don't understand. Oh, do you get the less you want to leave your crib?
Speaker 1:That is true.
Speaker 3:I do not want to leave unless I absolutely. And if I leave the house, I don't want to say I'm a sound, the sound, oldest fuck when I say this. I don't want to leave the house for no foolish. I come to your party. I want to make sure I only have a few required. Don't pick all over the food. Please. Don't turn the music up too loud, because we ain't no need for that, and I need a comfortable seat.
Speaker 1:And I need to see everybody's card that they got three references that they spoke to being this motherfucker Straight up cuz that motherfucker over there you know, look like three people signed up. Who brought for that motherfucker over there? Man, um, real quick, real quick. Two people, two artists on your playlist.
Speaker 2:So One is a group.
Speaker 1:I really like the sacred souls you put me on to them and they are fucking phenomenal, mark.
Speaker 2:Man, it's that just that early 60s sounding soul. Yeah, I love it. And then in that same lane, I like, and a group named the sincere's Um, really great, you know, it's all that. That. You know Latin soul, you know kind of low rider, but new it's yeah. Good, yeah, that's it Uh sacred souls.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right, I'm gonna check them out, I'm gonna check that it's, it's really good.
Speaker 3:What about you, bro? I'm gonna say Jose James. Yeah, you tell me about him. Yeah, jose James, oh, mark, you dig them bro. Yeah, his whole discography is really good. But His first cuz he go first was more like kind of R&B, hip hop a little bit. And he has a jazz album. He does a bill with his cover and they has a Erica Badu cover album.
Speaker 3:But one of my favorite Albums from them is called the dreamer and the whole thing is dope. But like that first song, the dreamers is, I mean, it's like I remember one of my best times. I had just come off the road, I was tired as fuck and I just sat on the balcony, put the fire pit on, was blazing and I just played that album. It's jazz and vocals. It reminds me like old school jazz artists. And then I want to say probably Little Brother actually is what's in the rotation now. Like I still kind of go between the new thing they put out and then made the Lord bless.
Speaker 3:But I want to give a special shout out, though, to Sean Price. If you go back and listen to old Sean Price, like that dude never got the props that he was supposed to get while he was on this earth. But Sean Price is a lyrical skills to me Like god damn dude. This dude was ridiculous. I would say those are the two that I listen to most of. That's House Cleanin' music Jose James right there, but Good House Cleanin'.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really I was just bumping that first health of skelter just the other day.
Speaker 1:So good, oh, that should not. That should not man tell everybody what they can find out that man and how to get in tune with y'all?
Speaker 2:Oh man, I'm just doing my little YouTube thing making my beats. The channel's called Songs in the KFG, but again, it's so small that you might not even find me through search without saying anything, you gotta start somewhere bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah Songs in the KFG and check out my new video on he Brought, can See All Smooth, my favorite song of all time. They read the music. So, and then I'm doing some beats. I'm actually working on a record for B. He wants to follow up another record, so yeah, yeah, yeah, come up with beats, but so far I hate everything that I've done, so we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1:Hey, real artists. They are their worst critic. Really make me think about the 103,000 album, but that's a whole other story.
Speaker 3:How can they find you? Well, I would say well, let me say this really quick because I know we're talking about a couple of hours and I didn't want to sound biased, but I'm going to take this moment to sound really, really biased. Every single day I'm impressed and proud of my baby bro and I'm calling my baby bro right now I'm not calling him monsoon. Right now I'm calling him baby bro Not only because he's a great father and a great person, but lyrically, like I. Honestly, you know, sometimes when people, somebody does something you got to pretend to like it, like I've never had to do that Right With what he does, and I'm always impressed that you can come up with the stuff that you come up with from the first album it's funny because I'm actually working on this thing right now where I mentioned you in it. When I put it out I'll tag you in it, but thank you.
Speaker 3:I remember first seeing that album cover I believe it was the the ramen noodle album and I remember the first time you showed me that picture of you with the headphones down like this. I said yeah, fucking dope. I said that's a dope picture, bro. That's in. We came across the thing I had to do. I had to pull out. Google, got to pull a picture up of you and that was one of the first things that came up and the first thought in my head was yeah, yeah, this is so. My whole point is saying is I know we've talked about hip hop and artistry over time, but I want you to know that you are one of the best people in this business. Yeah, thank you, and that that that status throughout like you haven't fallen off. You still care about hip hop and you still. You know you. I can listen to your stuff then and still be like it's good, even though like because I told you remember we talked about Curtis Gull.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh oh, oh yeah, that was actually like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's not even a lyric.
Speaker 3:To make sure. I said that to you because I'm very proud of you, because, anyway, I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much. I've always considered myself extremely fortunate to have been able to make music with you, my brother.
Speaker 3:you know I love you oh great team man. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:Well, we never even had an argument. You know that's the part about it is we've done so many things and we've worked together so well that it's just I can't really. There are only a few other people that I can even work with that, but even that doesn't even come close to the relationship that we have. And I have a new pledge of my support.
Speaker 1:Hey, that's why I said that this was a. This is this is a real meaning, meaningful one to me because, like I said, man, you know time, we talk all the time and you know I love to have a lot of treatment and marking that we may not talk every day but anytime we talk, bro, you know I love you, man, and for years, man, and I appreciate it and that's why I get y'all on, because I know like y'all are not just big brothers to me but mentors and the. You know the, the mindset you all have. I just thought that it would be very interesting to put that together, because I don't think the 100, 3000 album is whack. I just think that it's a lesson. I think it's a lesson for, for, for hip hop. My thing is the last for hip hop and for people progressing, to be like definitely people can learn again.
Speaker 3:Again, it's not trash, it's just it's different and people got to understand and respect that it's different and that's why, when I put that video out, I wanted people I wouldn't be very clear. I'm not shitting on him, right, I am. But I am putting a spotlight on people who only want to hear outcasts, right, that's the difference. But let me go get my green jumpsuit, I'm just kidding. They can find me at the website is comedian type on thatcom, which has links to the YouTube page which is going to have an official launch soon, which will have stand up sketches, social commentary. You can find me on Facebook, instagram, tiktok just search comedian type Barnett or type Barnett and you can see me on. If you watch show the boys, there's a spin off called Gen V, yeah. And then if you want to go to ABC, you can see a million little things on ABC, so you can see me on those posts.
Speaker 1:That's dope. Hey, man, once again, I love y'all. Thank y'all for coming on, man.
Speaker 2:And we will see you, bro. Good to see you, Ty, for sure.
Speaker 1:Y'all be smooth man, peace, peace.
Speaker 1:All right y'all. Hey, man, listen, that was big for me, man. And then those are my mentors, those are my big brothers, man, Love them to death. And for those of you who have not heard the Andre 3000 album, go check it out. You know what I'm saying. You get, and you get what you want to get from it. You know what I'm saying. Art is art and anything that comes from the heart is art. And I didn't even mean to rhyme that, I just did it because I'm just cold like that. So, on that note, y'all know what time it is. And if those you don't know what time it is, you're about to know what time it is. All right, y'all. So y'all know how we do this.
Speaker 1:This segment right here is called I don't know. I'll show it together. It is called I don't know, I need to hit this. So for this segment of I don't know need to hit this, I don't know Need to hit this, but the first person that asks you to help you find the shit that you missing or that you lost is probably the same person that stole it, or they know where your shit is at, straight up. So I'm not trying to put nobody on blast, I'm just trying to put you on game. Remember that the first person that offered a help to help you find your phone, or help you find your wallet, or help you find whatever it is that you missing, I bet you any kind of money. They know where your shit is at because they're going to try to lead you away from it. So just remember that, like I always tell y'all, just because you not listening does not mean it's not being said. And that is this week's installment of I don't know. We need to hit this. And on that note we are. We're about to get a body hit, man, so Y'all hit it, y'all hit it.
Speaker 1:Music time for some shout outs. I got to give a mass shout outs to my brother, tom Barnett. Man shout outs to my brother, mark G man shout outs to the family Joey Bryce, jalen Crystal Smoke, diggy Dog. Shout out to my mom. Shout out to the whole family. Shout out to Deckard Durres, excuse me. Shout out to the ownership club Shia Bliss, that girl.
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Speaker 1:Do something that gets you out of bed in the morning. Be passionate, be persistent, be patient, real, be undeniable. That's what I want to say. Be undeniable, be undeniable, um. Realize that everything is a process. Trust in the process. Only thing that happens overnight is dreaming, slobbing and then babies. You can find me on Spotify at the shits podcast. You can find me on Apple podcast. You can find me on Instagram at the shits podcast, or you can find my Instagram at mine. So it's the raw. That's S T A R A W. Also, catch me on so one or 6.3 FM every Sunday, 9 pm To 11 pm, with my segment the Possible Post from the past. Um, and once again, man, y'all, just make sure y'all do what y'all got to do. Man, be good to each other, love each other. Be undeniable, be undeniable, be undeniable. You know what I'm saying, um, and I'm out here, y'all, I am out here, peace.