The S.H.I.T.T.S Podcast
The S.H.I.T.T.S Podcast
Behind the Lens: Vic Lagina on the Evolution, Ethics, and Eccentricities of the Adult Film Industry
Get ready for an inside look at the adult film industry as we chat with Vic Lagina, a veteran producer who's been a key player for two decades. From his Philly roots to his Vegas evolution, Vic shares his wild entry into the porn business, sparked by an ad on adultstaffing.com, and his mission to bring professionalism to a chaotic industry. We promise you'll gain a new perspective on how digital platforms like OnlyFans are revolutionizing the game, empowering performers, and flipping traditional power dynamics on their head.
We also tackle the gritty side of the industry, exposing the unethical practices that plague major players like MindGeek. With candid discussions on controversial topics such as non-consensual content and the fallout from the "Takedown" book, this episode doesn't shy away from the tough conversations. Dive into the complexities of personal relationships within the industry, as we debate if working in porn can desensitize one to sex and explore the boundary-pushing world of porn addiction and its effects on a healthy relationship.
There's more to this episode than just serious industry talk. We lighten things up with a playful game matching drugs to party types and share humorous tales from the AVN Awards. Celebrate hip-hop culture with us, as DJ Shells drops beats that pay homage to legends like Eazy-E and Dre. To wrap things up, discover the importance of building a dedicated fanbase and get a sneak peek into Vic's book, "Filthy: The Rise and Pending Death of Vic Lagina." Whether you're here for the laughs, the insights, or the music, this episode is packed with something for everyone.
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Yo, what up, what up y'all. Welcome to the Shits Podcast, where we're either shooting shit, starring some shit or picking up a shit left off. I'm your host, marshawn Starrata, coolest cat you heard thus far, aka DJ Booty Rubber, like no other. If you don't believe me, man, go ask your mother. Hey, man, check it out y'all. This week on the podcast we got a very special guest to the podcast. Yo, my man has been producing some very interesting films in the world of pornography for 20 years. That's a long time. That's a whole lot that my man has seen. And he has a book called Filthy, the Rise and Pending Death of Vic. Now listen to this. Vic Lagina Fucking name is awesome. Come on, man, yo, without further ado, y'all, make sure, put y'all heads together and give it up for my man, vic Legina.
Speaker 2:Hey how are you?
Speaker 1:I'm good man. I'm good man. Welcome to the podcast, bro.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me and reaching out. I'm looking to shoot the shits.
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Speaker 1:So I'd like to do a check-in with our guest man. So, since you are the phenomenal guest this week, how your week been man with our guests man. So since you are the phenomenal guest this week, how your week been man.
Speaker 2:It's been good. I am originally from the suburbs of Philly, so I'm really excited about Sunday and seeing, hopefully, my Eagles get the revenge on those queefs of Kansas City.
Speaker 1:So you have always been an Eagles fan, right? Yeah, it happens when you grow up there. It's in your DNA and that's all you know. So you have always been an Eagles fan right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it happens when you grow up there. It's in your DNA and that's all you know. Even though I haven't lived there since I graduated high school, I'm still very much a diehard Philly fan. So revenge from two years ago, that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1:So are you in LA now, right?
Speaker 2:I'm in Vegas.
Speaker 1:In Vegas, okay, vegas.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:You went from Philly straight to Vegas.
Speaker 2:No, I went. I got my undergrad at Syracuse University and then, after being up there and freezing, I then went south to Miami and I was there for a while. I was always in production. That's how I got into the porn business. But Miami was more corporate and commercial. And then I went out to LA for a few years and crashed and burns and got into the porn business and then I went back to Florida to grow the business and then I decided to end up in Vegas almost 19 years ago.
Speaker 1:So I heard you say you went to Florida to grow it. Why didn't you stay in Florida?
Speaker 2:So with all of LA, I mean I don't know if you ever lived out there, but it's a pretty tough town and I'd say it's expensive and competitive and a lot of weird energy out there. And I was getting myself into debt by financing all of my hopes and dreams on credit cards my girlfriend's too and I couldn't really find work until I answered an ad on adultstaffingcom in April of 2002. And that was my first shoot in the porn industry and that's what started this crazy tale.
Speaker 1:So when you went to that first shoot, how did you feel?
Speaker 2:um, it was interesting. It was like once cameras started rolling, like the minute I called action, it was like there was this imaginary line and like I stepped over it and I'm like, oh shit, like I'm, I'm in some new territory here, uh. But it was, um, that day was kind of gross for a lot of reasons. Uh, yeah, because at some point, like we were, we were shooting in a condo in the valley and we were supposed to knock out five scenes that day. We only got four done.
Speaker 2:But at some point, uh, the, the smell of crack was in the air yeah and you know, I walked by this room and then there was these two people and they kind of like froze up like we're not smoking crack in here, and I was like yeah, and I walked by like oh, I don't smell any cracker in here. But but really it was just one of those days where I came home and I just felt like I had to shower. I felt pretty filthy.
Speaker 1:So so I'm so sorry. Yeah, when you said crack, I thought you meant ass crack.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's okay. I mean, I probably smelled that too that day because I believe there was an anal scene. But the truth is, yeah, that was the first day on set and it was kind of a wake-up call. That that's how it can be. But I wanted to make it better. I wanted to run it like a business. I wanted to basically just make it legitimized, and I did, and that's that. I guess I really that needed to happen that day. So so I knew how not to run things and how there was a better way to do it.
Speaker 1:And you said that was the first one that you produced, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I was directing that one. It was like a Mexican kid. He must have been 18, 19 years old and he wanted to shoot a porn movie. This was his dream. So I told him I could direct it for him and he paid me $500 to direct his porn movie. But that day, I mean, I learned other, I made other contacts and then eventually I knew how to chase leads in porn. But once, like LA was just weighing it like too heavy, I went back to Florida and you know, down there it was kind of like the grapefruit leagues, like the amateur leagues, and you could get things done for cheap with the performers down there. I don't know what they put in the water in Florida, but man, every girl down there just seems like they wanted to get in porn. So there was, there was no shortage of talent, if you could call it that, in Florida.
Speaker 1:In Florida.
Speaker 2:Yeah so.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. No, so so it was. It was like that for a good year and a half until I eventually met the dudes that would become browsers and they go look, we really like you, we really think you're good, but we need to start dialing in into the LA talent pool. So I said, all right, well, let me move out west. And my theory was I can bring LA to me without having to live in LA. So I bought this house in Vegas and imported LA, and that's how we got started, way back in 2006.
Speaker 1:So I'm a big fan of Brazzers. Yeah, what do you think separates? And I hope I'm cause I always say Brazzers. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:It's Brazzers. Brazzers is correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you think separates Brazzers from any other site? I mean, I already have my idea, but what do you think separates Well?
Speaker 2:you have to remember, like I haven't been with that company since 2020. So I'm going to tell you everything from 2020 to around 2006, because that was my time. I have feelings about how they are now, but back then what made them so different was we had the top talent and it was all about big boobs and really just delivering that high quality porn. But you know, a lot of what they were doing was taking every scripted idea that was out there and just making it better, but then also incorporating boobs. Like for a while back there was Naughty America and they had Naughty Office.
Speaker 2:So the guys at Browser's were like, oh, why don't we do Big Tits at Work? And so that was the start of the scripted series. And once big tits at work launched, then I wasn't dealing with like guys who were getting paid 200 bucks to shoot a scene. Uh, because at 200 bucks you get what you pay for, which is which is like dicks this big, and you know they're always sitting in the corner just like jerking it trying to yeah, it was bad, so, yeah, so.
Speaker 2:So, um, once they started figuring out that, then it went to big tits at school and then they started going into the whole like it big area, which was a take off of, uh, mr Big Dick's Hot Chicks, and so so they're like, okay, let's do everything with Big Dick. So, mills like it big, pornstar's like it big, big Butt's like it big. I mean, you see the common thread here. So all of that was they were just building this monstrosity and for a while there they had like unlimited budget, and so it was always about let's deliver the high quality with the best talent and let's just make it as as, as, as the sex as hot as possible and make it fun. And that's what differentiated it, that's what made them a leading brand for a very long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Can you. Can you remember the first point that you ever watched?
Speaker 2:Oh boy, it was probably one of those like conglomeration porns that they like put like about like five or six in one like scene. Now, remember, we're talking about going into the video store and going into the 18 and above section. You know, I know to the 18 and above section, you know, I know.
Speaker 2:So it was probably like some really bad title that had like just like a whole mix of porns in them. But then there was also, like my friends, you know, they would invite over, like oh yeah, we found our dad's porn stash and they would put them in like the VHS tapes or was it Betamax, I don't remember. But yeah, I mean it wasn't anything big, but I do remember seeing you know the Hedgehog before he was hedgehogged. You know he was like a thin, like kind of not a bad-looking guy before he got fat.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know what you're talking about, yeah.
Speaker 2:Ron Jeremy, yeah.
Speaker 1:Ron Jeremy, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Now I think honestly, when we were were younger, dudes would call over their friends to watch the porn.
Speaker 2:So at this age now, I feel like my friends couldn't fucking pay me to come over if I could watch the porn at your house, bro, right yeah, yeah, that's, that's weird and that's like when like and actually I heard people, dudes actually do they like have like a masturbation partner where they're both yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I'll tell you I've seen a lot and heard a lot over the course of my career so yeah, that was always like like jerk off buddy, like what. Yeah, that's a bit odd, but you know, at that age we're all trying to figure shit out. We're, like, you know, sitting around and it's kind of like the unofficial sex education. That's really what it was.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm gonna roll with that one, I'm gonna roll with that one right there. So with you being in the business, you said for 20 years, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What has been the biggest change that you have seen when it comes to the porn industry?
Speaker 2:So for a while there it was always the, the change of what was popular at the time. You know, you, they had your MILFs and then you had like the squirting that was big, and then you had the stepbrothers and all that. So you had a continuation of of different niches that were, that were were popular and being searched on Pornhub. But the biggest change happened during COVID, when you know for the first, say, five, six months, everyone's home and they're, you know, always on Pornhub, or this is where it changed. They were going on performers, only fans, and the only fans. Performers were making so much money more than they ever had made in their entire career.
Speaker 2:So the power dynamic shifted. The pendulum went from the studios to now the creators, and that was the most noticeable change, which is why I sort of found my exit around that time, because I was finding that the money no longer was there for a producer of my scale. You know, I had a studio. I had about eight employees. Now, you know, with all the money now going to the performers, they had less money for crews. So I became expendable at that point. But yeah, that's where I would say the biggest change happens.
Speaker 1:Okay, cause I remember, like, I remember, like the quality to me. I remember the quality of the, of the, of the movies, and then it kind of seemed like it seemed like more of a movie movie. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So you're talking about when there was, like, the features that were on, like the VHS and the DVDs.
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, yeah, like the D-throats and Debbie Does Dallas, and was it? I think it was Black Universe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, they were shooting on film back then. And then, you know, then they started switching to video, which everyone thought, well, it's no longer the same, but but it kind of was. It wasn't really until when I started getting in, which was the start of the internet, you know, and the internet is what? When that exploded, especially with browsers, and then when they opened up porn hub, um you, you know, they had all the money. So for a guy like me who was under the umbrella, I was doing fine and they kept me very busy, but a lot of the performers and a lot of the companies that's when they started going under because of the porn monopoly that I started with. That wound up taking over the entire business and changing it forever, yeah.
Speaker 1:What do you think is the most unnatural act that you have witnessed? That somebody else, no, yeah, the most unnatural act that somebody outside of the business will look at it, but it's natural to you because you're in the business.
Speaker 2:Okay, so do you want to have the squirt versus pee debate? Because that's one of those.
Speaker 1:I do.
Speaker 2:Okay. So let's just put it this way, because I do cover it in my book. There's actually a whole chapter dedicated to it. I think it's Vic. Legitimate School of Porn, lesson 5, squirt or Piss okay, and there's actually a study a study that was in there that I put in the book that they put like an injectable dye into women's bladders to see where it was coming from. Okay, and spoiler alert it is pee. Okay and spoiler alert it is pee, okay. So the question then becomes is how much is it like? How much pee is it versus? Is it like a diluted version of it?
Speaker 2:And I'll tell you when they told me to shoot a squirt scene, sometimes, you know, you ask a girl well, do you squirt? And that's really code for asking, asking are you comfortable getting really hydrated? And then you know like peeing, squirting, uh, you know on camera and you know they would do it, but then some of the girls really couldn't do it or they weren't hydrating enough. So the the trick was taking like a douche full of water, okay, and the girl squirts it up there, you know, and she's holding it, and then you call action and then she starts masturbating. It's like, oh, I'm squirting, and then it all comes out. So so from that sense, yeah, that was the most unnatural that feels natural, because I know what it was.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you this too the unofficial sponsor of squirt movies and porn is Pedialyte. Because the girls would load up on Pedialyte and when I asked it was a kiss of sins. And I asked her, kiss it like okay, you're drinking like four bottles of Pedialyte, what does that do? And she goes it makes it taste sweet, like candy. And with what they were doing with that I mean literally girls squirting, their mouth is there and they're spitting it everywhere, I mean pretty filthy and foul. But that's why that's how you can do it and be like, oh, how are they doing it? Like, okay, I guess it makes it like a candy factory of sorts, you know.
Speaker 1:Right and you said candy factory and pee and I just keep thinking r kelly for some.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some strange reason, right?
Speaker 1:I'm so sorry yeah I mean. But now I think people are gonna look at me, especially guys, because you know, nowadays guys are like always mention skirts, oh, man I find a skirt. It's like, oh, you really get peed on, but it's I mean but yeah and listen.
Speaker 2:It's happened in my personal life too, but, like, what I was cleaning up off the tile was not like yellow, stinky urine, it was like clear liquid. So it makes me feel like there could be some other reservoir of sorts. But then it does have some bladder in it because of that study that I that I cite in my book and and I think it's ironic that the sponsor is pedialyte- yeah, unofficial sponsor, like they don't know it and I'm sure they don't sanction it, but, but the truth, but, but, but that's the truth.
Speaker 2:Like everyone's drinking pedialyte by, like the pint, like it's just constantly going down.
Speaker 1:Right, no pun intended. So the book I want to talk about, the book Filthy the Rise and Pending Death of Vic Legina. Elaborate on the book. Why did you feel like you need that? What was the need to write it? What do you want people to get away? Take away from it?
Speaker 2:So I started the whole process in early 2015. And the whole reason was because at that point, let's say, I've been in for 12 years and that's when the details start getting a little murky. So I felt it was really important for me to just jot down everything that happened, from start to finish up until that point. And then you know, every now and again we would have a shutdown, someone would pop positive for HIV, and when that would happen, we would go into a moratorium, and so I'd be like, okay, I got a couple weeks off, let me go update the book. And that's what constantly happened. But the funny thing was and the interesting thing was, because it was such an introspective unraveling of sorts I learned, like how fucked up my life had become, both in personal relationships and how crazy the business was. So that enabled me to start making better decisions about what drugs I was taking, who I was spending personal time with, and I figured, okay, maybe I'll do something when this is all over. And when COVID hit, I wasn't expecting my career to be over then. But that's really what happened because of how the business changed. And once I was officially done and I had sold my studio and I had money and I was retired. I was like you know, what do we do now? And the thought was is let's release a book, but let's not just release a book. Let's release a good book that you put a lot of time in, you put your heart, your soul, your blood, your sweat, your tears, and let's release a product that I could be happy with.
Speaker 2:So, from start to finish, it was an eight and a half year process and a very cathartic experience because, to be honest with you, man, I don't know, like let's just say, I didn't part with the company during COVID. I don't know if I would still be here like alive because of all of the drugs that I was doing to kind of cope with the job. You know, some people would think that porn's this crazy job and it must be so much fun. You're around all this, but you're around a lot of darkness. You know people's dark energies and I really understood that when I was talking about the people who died, that I knew and I was writing about them and I was reading about their obituaries and I was understanding how much pain they were in. And that's when the light went off. Like you were, you were self-medicating, you were numbing yourself. So you weren't, so you could deal with a lot of these energies. So so that's really why I decided to release it. Because the truth is too, I really nuked the bridge to the porn industry Once I parted with a company.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a good part and it was pretty, a pretty messy divorce. But they never put me under an NDA and, to be honest with you, the guys who were my, I went through three ownerships. So the third ownership, those dudes were not good dudes at all and I kind of grew to hate them. You know, they were just not. I despise them. I despise them as people. And once we had this parting and they didn't sign me to an NDA, reality was I can really say virtually whatever I want, you know. I mean I had a full comprehensive by lawyers to tell me what I could say, what I shouldn't say, what I should reword all of that. But this was kind of like the swan song of Vic Lagina, who was basically like fuck you, I don't really care for any of it and I'm out of it, and that's really what it was. And in some ways I am not really well received in the porn industry anymore. But that's OK, well-received in the porn industry anymore but that's okay.
Speaker 1:So well, first of all, I want to say sorry that you had to go through that dark phase and deal with fucked up people. The second thing I want to ask you is what made the last guys so much worse than the other ones?
Speaker 2:Okay, so I'll break down how it all started. So the first guys I started with were these Canadian dudes that were like fraternity brothers at Concord University Concordia University, I think it is and they knew how to market porn on the internet. And these guys were about six or seven years younger than me. So when I move out to Vegas and I'm in my early thirties, these guys are, like you know, mid, early to mid 20s and these are marketing gurus of porn on the internet with all these grand ideas. And they were good dudes. Like they took care of me, like they treated me like I was their workhorse and if I needed, like if I was falling short on money in any ways, they'd be like here, here's a bonus because you're doing so well for us. And what eventually happened was they wanted to start families I don't know if you know much about Montreal, but there's kind of a big mafia presence up there and, yeah, they had told me they were getting squeezed a little bit, so they were ready to cash out and they wound up selling the company to this guy who created a tracking software for porn, whereas people could tell you could tell people who clicked on what ads and what was being clicked on. You know the whole beginning of the clickbait mentality in porn, and they were known as man when and this is when this dude started taking Wall Street investments and started buying up every company in porn. So it really became this huge porn conglomerate with a lot of departments under this big umbrella. I was just a producer in pay sites for Brazzers specifically, but there was, like you know, a lot of spokes in that wheel and he eventually got arrested for tax evasion. And then there were a bunch of dudes who bought up his shares. Now, during second ownership, there wasn't that taking care of your people kind of mentality that the first dudes had. But at least these guys, you know they weren't like really awful humans. The third ownership, I would classify them as really awful humans because I mean, look, they were smart in a lot of ways because they were leaning up the business. They were leaning up everything. They were cutting costs wherever they could efficient, and I didn't mind efficiency. But what they were doing was they were treating everyone like they were replaceable, which is okay, and they were greedy and they were arrogant. Nothing illegal there. What put them in the category of the worst people ever was, and I will put you in the note of this book called Takedown. This is all a true story If you really want to know a lot of what the nefarious shit that the third ownership, known as MindGeek, was doing is in this book, and I'll tell you this like I know, a lot of people were on Pornhub, but what I didn't know was that the whole user process in terms of uploading porn to Pornhub not a lot of safeguards.
Speaker 2:So let's just say you're not a bad person and you're shooting non-consensual porn or rape porn or even worse there was no safeguards to upload it and so they only had very limited people monitoring all of the porn that was coming through. So there's no IDs, you know. So it had to be really egregious. It looked like, oh, that's a 12-year-old that can't be on our site, you know. But they were deliberately monetizing a lot of it because the safeguards weren't in place.
Speaker 2:It wasn't until the author of the book really exposed them in late 2020, after I had left the company and it really showed like there were real victims of people who had non-consensual porn up on the site that was being deliberately monetized by the company. So eventually they got raked under the coals by Canadian parliament, and that's when the fourth ownership decide to buy the distressed asset known as Pornhub, which at that time had to purge 90% of their content. When Visa and MasterCard pulled their transactions from Pornhub, that was huge. So they had to start doing it because they were forced to, not because they wanted to, you know. So that's why they were really terrible and that's why I don't feel bad at all really blasting them in my book, because it was. It was really demonic on a lot of levels of what they were doing and what they were capitalized. Yeah, a lot of people don't know it, so I try to tell people a little bit one by one. Like, maybe you shouldn't be a a, a consumer, a porn hub.
Speaker 1:maybe take your business elsewhere you know, right, right, I mean it's. It's so many Not like I know personally, right, so many out there. Yeah, speaking of videos, in your personal opinion, who do you think is more likely to show their personal stash of porn, like the amateurs that they shoot?
Speaker 2:themselves.
Speaker 1:Who do you think is more likely to?
Speaker 2:show it men or women To show people like their stash Men? Of course I think so. I mean. What I gather is, while women do use porn, the nature of it.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I meant like when they film themselves. That's what I meant. Like when they? Yeah, who do you think is more likely to show somebody the homemade video that they made? Is it more likely to be men or is it more likely to be women?
Speaker 2:so do you think you're saying showing it to the masses or showing their buddies on their phone? Their buddies, their friends or whatever on their phone I think that would be more of a dude thing that's what I think, yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:Listen, um, one thing I have found with this whole only fans thing and the power dynamic shifting to the performers, I think it was good on a lot of levels because before the model was, you know, we would pay a girl a one-time fee, the company would exploit the porn for eternity, and now the girls get more of the money and they're the ones who were putting their bodies and their minds on the front lines. So I didn't see it as a bad thing. I thought it was. Well, it was long overdue, to be honest.
Speaker 1:Right, what, what, what would you think?
Speaker 2:What? What is the type of behavior that would classify someone as an addict of porn? I say, if you're in a relationship and all you're doing is sitting in your bathroom and snapping one off real quick, that could be an addict. I also think you know there's, I'll tell you this. There's a lot of porn aficionados. You know they are big fans of it. They go to the conventions. To think you know there's, I'll tell you this, there's a lot of porn aficionados. You know they're, they are big fans of it. They go to the, the conventions. They go make sure they get signatures from their favorite porn stars. I don't know if I would call them porn addicts per se they must be just fans. But but I do think if you're sitting at home masturbating like five, six times a day and you can't get away from it, I'd call that a porn addiction. So there's that.
Speaker 1:Get a fucking headache off that shit man. Yeah, I mean, I don't know for personal, I'm just saying that I would just imagine that you'd get a headache. So, okay, kind of not offbeat, okay, hypothetical question, right, so let's just say you are participating, it's a serious question, but not a serious question. You are participating in an orgy, right? Okay, what would make you leave? It's three people that walk in. Which one of these people would make you leave first?
Speaker 2:So okay, there's three people Go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, you're already in it, you're in the picture. These three people walk in right. Which one of these three people these three people walk in right. Which one of these three people would make you leave first? Your ex, your kid's principal or Morgan Freeman?
Speaker 2:I'd say my ex, because she was insane and I don't want to be anywhere within like 600 yards of this person. So that would be the answer In front of Morgan Freeman. I don't think that would faze me much. And you know, I got to think about, you know, the principal thing. That's hilarious on a lot of levels, but the thing is I don't have kids, so I can't really get into that one. So do you want to swap that one out?
Speaker 1:Let me see your ex's supervisor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that wouldn't bother me much. It would be my ex for sure. For that reason, yeah.
Speaker 1:Have you ever seen a healthy relationship?
Speaker 2:In the porn industry.
Speaker 1:Period, just in your lifetime, have you ever seen a healthy relationship?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think all relationships require work. However, I have seen people who have been together for literally several decades and they're very much happy with each other and enjoy being around each other. That I would define as a healthy relationship.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what? So? What? What do you think? So what would you say would be the components of a healthy relationship?
Speaker 2:Well, obviously, honesty, you know that's. That's first and foremost. And it's hard to be honest sometimes, especially when you're worried about the person, and it's hard to be honest sometimes, especially when you're worried about the person's reaction. But the truth is is I had my fair share of unhealthy relationships, as you might imagine, because, being in the porn industry, it wasn't a normal job and it wasn't really attracting those with the best heads on their shoulders. So I had a lot of fights and a lot of toxicity in those relationships.
Speaker 2:I am in a relationship now and this is a very healthy and a very good relationship. We don't fight, we're very straight up with each other. Now, the truth is, you got to be a good dude, you know you have to be honest. You got to be faithful, you, and I think when you, when it comes to the porn, it's like if you're sneaking off to beat off when you're not having sex with your partner or girlfriend or whatever, that's not exactly being healthy. So so I would, I would say, on a lot of levels, I mean you, you should have a lot of somewhat a lot of things in common, but I don't think you need to be matched in terms of everything you do is is is what your partner is into. But I think you need to get along and if there are issues, you got to work them out.
Speaker 1:You know, I agree, I agree, I agree. So you've been in the business for all that time. Do you think that it kind of desensitized you to sex a bit?
Speaker 2:No, no, I hear that question a lot, along with the question uh, your sex life must be really crazy. Crazy because you gotta, you gotta do a lot because of all you've seen. And that's not the case. It could be the case for a lot of people. I think if you're a performer, the whole act of uh being desensitized, I think that would be very valid. But for a dude like me that was really directing sometimes a very mechanical act of sex on camera. You know, I didn't find that I would take that home with me at all, where I was like I'm just not into it. You know, whereas I could see, if you're a male performer and you just knocked out two scenes that day, you're not going to want to go home, maybe and have sex with your girlfriend or boyfriend or whatever it is. So I think it's more from the performers than it would be for someone who is directing and producing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, okay, okay. So I know earlier you spoke about the whole drug situation and so I got to give a disclaimer. I have this game on the podcast and it's called Drugs. I don't want to be offensive when asking you to play this. Okay, cool. The reason why this is called Drugs is four different occasions it's a dinner party. It's a house party.
Speaker 2:It's a pity party Meaning.
Speaker 1:We really don't want to do that. And then it's a ditty party. And then we all know. We all know what that is yeah, all right so I'm going to give you, I'm going to name, a drug and you tell me at which party this drug will most likely be taken. You got the dinner party, house party, pity party and a ditty party.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So the first one is mushrooms.
Speaker 2:All right. So I would probably do this at the dinner party, to be honest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just to make it a little more interesting, because they could be sometimes boring and bland. So, yeah, I think I would do that.
Speaker 1:Weed.
Speaker 2:See, weed was going to be the dinner party, but I'm going to switch that to more of the pity party.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay yeah, adderall.
Speaker 2:Let's see so. The second one was the house party. Adderall will be the house party for sure.
Speaker 1:Okay, coke.
Speaker 2:The ditty party.
Speaker 1:Yeah, crack.
Speaker 2:So I haven't done it. But let's see, Something tells me the. Okay, let's do the Pity Party for that one.
Speaker 1:Okay, the last one is Acid Acid okay, I'd say the second one again. That was the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt, um man. So, vic, tell people where to find the book at, give them all the information where they can find the book, where they can find you. And then also, I was reading that you got nominated for the AVN Awards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, do you want to get into that real quick?
Speaker 1:Yes, sir, okay.
Speaker 2:All right. So AVN, I make fun of it quite a bit in my book, which I find it hilarious that they decided to nominate me for Mainstream Venture of the Year and I didn't even know I was nominated. I got a text from someone to like congrats on your nomination. I'm like, what'd I get nominated for? The category was for mainstream venture of the year and there was about like 10 other people. But I was thinking, okay, I, this is a. I've been been nominated before, but it was always for like a brazzers or it was for digital playground, which I shot for, and it wasn't really anything I was really particularly proud of. So when my a book that was outside of the company and it was something I did, I was like, okay, that's cool, I would, I would love to go, so I rsvp that I'm going.
Speaker 2:I go up there, uh, when avian's happening on the the Friday to pick up my badge and they tell me, yeah, we have to pay for a convention pass and I don't even want to go. I mean, my skin was crawling just being up there because it's just not my scene anymore, you know, and I go, yeah, but I was nominated and they go, yeah, well, a lot of people are nominated, they still to. You know, yeah, you still have to pay, and I'm thinking I don't want to finance this buffoonery at all. So they told me well, maybe come back up and talk to another dude. I'm like, forget it, I'm going to stay home, I'm gonna hang out, my girlfriend hang out with the dogs, and I'm not even gonna worry about it. So I was thinking the only allure of me going up there would be to promote the book and then, if I won, I would have this epic acceptance speech, right. But here's the thing, right, what they do is they announce the award by a powerpoint slide and there was no acceptance speech. So let's just say I decided to go. I would have been pissed, I would had to sit through like five hours of that horse shit and not even win the award. They gave it to two girls that appeared in an Eminem video. That was the winner. Yeah, I was like, okay, well, I guess literature is dead, completely. So. So I was like, wait, a AVN, AVN. Like, really, you screwed that one up on that one. So I didn't win it. But it all worked out the end. For me, the nomination was enough, especially since it was something that I did on my own. So I thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:But as far as finding the book, so what I would tell you is go to my website, vicklaginacom. Okay, there is a trailer that I shot in the second studio that I had operated out of this one I actually owned, but once porn was over for me, I wound up taking on a tenant and then selling the building and the tenant for double what I paid. You know, six and a half years before that, but I had always shot movies that ended with a facial. You know, and being a dude that, like, came from production background, I thought it would have been a travesty to not shoot something other than a movie that ended with a facial. So I shot this whole thing.
Speaker 2:That turned out to be the trailer for the book. So go watch that because I think you would enjoy it. There's a lot of porn star boobies in it, but then you'll see links of if you want to read the book, if you want to get it on Kindle or if you want to have an audio book version of it, which I narrate the audio book, and that was like a 40 day process of recording edited over 50 days, like if I were to tell you it's an acid trip, basically because I had never listened to an audio book before. So I wanted to be sure my book was exactly what I wanted it to be. So I tell people, if you're on a commute or you're on an airplane, download the book. You will not be disappointed, it will, it will. It will check all the boxes for you so you'll find that on VicLeginacom all the links you want. That's how you find it.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, that's awesome, and you have a great voice, man.
Speaker 2:So thank you.
Speaker 1:That audio book would definitely work out too Seriously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was. It was fun. There was 37 days of complete straight narrating. When I say straight, no weed, no booze, no drugs whatsoever right, 37? Because I wanted the the like, the straight read to be exactly that straight. But here's the thing in the book you've got my alter ego talking the entire time. So for that I broke my sobriety over a three day period. So I recorded all of those lines, either a little bit high on weed and booze, and then there was like a Coke reading, and then there was one that was a complete acid reading. And so what I tell you, it's a lot more interactive than you think. It's exactly that.
Speaker 2:A lot of what I'm talking about too in the book. Like, I mentioned a live show, a live orgy that I shot. That's the prologue. And then I wrote about an epilogue, which was the competition live to find the next browser's male porn star. That was a complete shit show. So what I did was since I have all the footage, I pulled clips from all of that, so you hear a lot of what's going on during the audio book yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, so. So when I tell you I put everything of my being into these projects, I mean that, I mean that completely. Yeah Well, I want to give the consumer value for their dollar. I think that's important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's good man, that's very good. Yeah, man, vic, it was very nice meeting you, man, thank you.
Speaker 2:You too, you too.
Speaker 1:I tell people all the time dude, time is way more important than money.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Give money back, Can't get time back and I appreciate you giving me your time, man, telling the story and just really putting it out there about the squirting versus the piss thing. It's going to make me look at it a whole different way. It's going to make me look at it a little bit differently now maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but, man, dude, it was awesome talking to you, meeting. You. Hope to carry this on soon in the future. Man, do you got any more projects coming out or books coming out?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, here's the thing. What I've been learning is that if you're a writer, which I guess I am, now that you need to write more. So I did just start the next one. I'm trying to decide what is it going to be. Is it going to be a print version or am I going to drop uh episodes of it, because I know the audio version is is more popular these days and I'm actually quite good at good at it, so maybe I'll do that. We'll see. But there's still gold in those hills, because I did shoot 3,792 scenes over that 20-year, so there's definitely more gold to mine as well.
Speaker 1:So you don't have a podcast yet.
Speaker 2:I don't, because I just feel that a lot of people have podcasts, you know, so maybe I'll do a variation of it. I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing everybody need. Mama got a podcast right, yeah, but everybody ain't shot as many things that you have shot true so the knowledge that you have, the story that you have, that shit is golden. No, yeah, it's just golden for real. So you might want to think about that man, you know yeah yeah, well, I have I'll, I'll figure that out.
Speaker 2:Like I know that this next one can be a little bit different than what I did the first time around. This. This really also was birthed on this misguided belief that I'm not long for this earth, you know, and if I check out, I want to at least have the story out there exactly as I wanted to say it. So have the story out there exactly as I wanted to say it. So I but but I survived and I'm going strong. So so now what you know, like I have to just figure out what else there is.
Speaker 1:And you're here for a reason, bro. You got to think about that, like some people have. Some people have left this earth off of less you know what? I'm saying so you know just what you have experienced like I don't know. In some sense, man, sometimes I think of it like you almost have like a responsibility to tell the story. You know what I'm saying Because it could be inspiring to somebody else. You know, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with you. That's a lot of reason why I did it, because the truth is, if a lot of people in porn or want to get in porn or they're thinking about getting in porn, read it, because you get informed and a lot of the advice could save your life. So for those out there who are thinking about it, take a gander, even if my shit show of a life that's interspersed in a lot of these essays in the book.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of knowledge in there for people to understand the realities of the business.
Speaker 2:That's awesome man, Thank you so much Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1:No problem, no problem. Much success to you in the future. I seen that dog.
Speaker 2:I got three. That's a Husky, there's a Doberman somewhere around here, and then a pity mix. All right, there's the Doberman. I see her in the background, yeah, so three. Get a pack of three out here.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, I just got my one. I got a dog and a cat.
Speaker 2:Okay, how's your dog?
Speaker 1:He's a miniature poodle. He's two years old, nice. He doesn't look like one, but he is. And then I got a tabby cat Okay, nice, she's a like one of his Good.
Speaker 2:And then I got a tabby cat. Okay, nice.
Speaker 1:She's a whole lot tougher than a dog.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know they always are. It was nice talking to you, vic man.
Speaker 2:You too, you too.
Speaker 1:Thanks again.
Speaker 2:You too, bye-bye Peace.
Speaker 1:All right, yo, y'all know how we do it. Shout out to my man, vick lagina that's a dope ass name, uh for shooting the shit with us, man. And right now, y'all know what we're about to get into. Man, it's uh in the mix. It's the in the mix segment, and this week it's uh once again for my man, dj shells. So y'all get in tune. It it's the Shits Podcast. Y'all, it's the Shits.
Speaker 3:He was once a thug from around the way. Easy, but you should Bitch, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 8:Get the fuck out of here Yo Dre, y'all ain't ready. Let's get it, let's get it, let's get it, let's get it, let's get it, let's get it, let's get it, let's go, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3:What the fuck is up in the place to be Coming on the mic?
Speaker 9:it's easy motherfucking easy Trey is on the beat, yala's on the club, so listen up close while we rip shit up. Shit up, shit up, shit up, shit up.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm Eazy-E. I got bitches galore. You may have a lot of bitches, but I got much more, with my super-duper group coming out to shoot Eazy-E motherfuckers cold knocking the boots, cause I'm a hot thugster. I used to be a monster. If you're hurt, you think I own a drugstore Getting stupid because I know how. And if a sucker talks shit, I give him a Eight balls. Sippin'. I'll see you next time. A hardcore villain cold roaming the streets and with a homie like Dre just supplying the beats Because I'm a gangster having fun. Never leave the power without packing a gun Hitting hard as fuck. I'll make you ask what was it, boy? You should've known by now. Easy, does it? I was Knockin' motherfuckers out. What's your name, boy Fuckin' fresh. Easy when you from? Fool, call me Yo yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo yo.
Speaker 8:It's your boy, dj Shams on the ones. And twos, get the millions. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo yo the million. I got you all in check. Throw your hands up in the air. Don't ever disrespect. I got you all in check. Must have rhymes up in the place. True, indeed, yes, I got the record. That's word on my feet. I'm guaranteed to give you what you need One blood. Everybody, like Junior Rita, wake up every morning. Your right must succeed. Nation wide talkers make their world stampede.
Speaker 7:Yo, willie, make we roll some weed man charged nigga now. Thank you, I'm going downtown Like Juliet Brown. I'm the round mound, not a rebound, but like a hound I get down. Never wore a lease, but I'ma show ya how loose is my goose. Got more soul than combat boots. That's why I came.
Speaker 7:They keep calling me man, keep calling me. They call my name. I say I can't give it away. Give it away now. I say when, say what. I'll say how Okay between you and me.
Speaker 7:Man, it's all this white rap. I got the power. I just might snap. Think fast, Cause I'm the Ramadan. I'm fat boy, I'll be the bad boy having a party, but I'm not a Democrat. I'm a spoiled desert child, but now I'm milk like Similac.
Speaker 7:Yes, yes, y'all, and you don't stop To the beat, y'all, and you don't stop. Yes, yes, y'all, and you don't stop. But once you drop, you can't stop. That's what I'm talking about. Yes, yes, y'all, and you don't stop. Come on, sucker, let's get it on. I did her in the park, but she was there for me and I was there for her. Pull out a chair for her, turn on the air for her and just cool out, cool out and listen to her Sitting on bone, wishing that I could do eventually, if it was meant to be, but it would be because we related physically and mentally and she was fun. Then I'd be geeked when she'd come around Slim was fresh yo when she was underground, original pure, untapping her down sister, oh I tell ya, I miss her, miss her, miss her, miss her, miss her, miss her.
Speaker 6:I'm Ricky the. Make enough noise like Bam Bam. Throw holders from bedrock, you'll get dropped by slam man. So check it. I'm making the record quick, all shots, I give it to that big dust like Daddy Warbuff. Oh Anna, I'm making the rock. The coke of cabana banana split hot, too spit, so sick. I'm making the freaking from here, the bang up desk. I'm living the rip and clasp but I get stressed like this Shit chicken to shush kid, you'll get done, squished for fun. I'm living the ripping class but I get stressed like this Shit diggity, shush kid, you'll get done Squish for fun. I rickety rhyme like no one. I rickety bum, rickety rush, rickety chumps I'm savage, I shake them up and down like the Dow Jones average. I'm cocky like Rocky. I rickety bangs the best.
Speaker 3:So, diggity, tell your friend chump, cause they come dasa, they come dasa. Oh, shut em down. Open up shop. Oh no, that's how our fathers roll. Niggas wanna try, niggas wanna lie them. Niggas wonder why.
Speaker 6:Niggas wanna die. All I know is pain, all I feel is rain. How can I maintain With that shit on my brain, I resort to violence. My niggas moving silence. Like you don't know what I'm stylin'. New York, niggas the wildest my niggas is with it. You want it? Come and get it. Took it. Then we split it. You fucking right, we did it. What the fuck you gonna do when we run up on you? Fuck them with the wrong crew. Don't know what we going through. I might have to show niggas how easily we blow niggas. Let me find out if some more niggas that's running with your niggas Left Just cause I can't stand. You Put my shit on tapes Like you, bustin' grapes, think you holdin' weight. Then you haven't met the apes. Stop, drop, shut em down, open up shop. Oh no, that's how it works. That's how it works. That's how it works.
Speaker 3:Bitches ain't shit but hoes and drapes. Bitches ain't shit but hoes and drapes. Oh yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Come on, sucker, let's get it on. I used to know a bitch named Merrick Wright. We used to roll around and fuck the hoes at night Tight than a motherfucker with the gangster beats, and we was balling on the motherfucking conference street.
Speaker 7:The shit got deep and it was sound, number one, sound after number one, sound Long as my motherfucking pockets was back. I didn't give a fuck where the bitch was at, but she was hanging with a white bitch doing the shit she do, sucking on his dick just to get a fuck or two. Bitch was at, but she was hanging with a white bitch doing the shit she do, sucking on his dick just to get a fuck or two. And the few ends she got didn't mean nothing. That she's suing Cause shit that she be doing ain't shit. Bitch can't hang with the street she found herself show. So now she taking me to coke. It's real conversation for your ass.
Speaker 5:So recognize and pass the test. Now, as I'm rolling with my nigga Dre in Eastwood Outro Music and how my niggas kick the anthem like this Bitches ain't shit but hoes and traitors Mixed on these lefts and such they ain't gay stuff. I got all that big, I done the hops and I need to make up for it To the cell to get me a photo. Snoop Doggy dog paid and must be mojo. So I head down the street to Long Beach Just so I could meet a freak To lick me from my head to my feet. And I'm here now. I'm ready to be done up. Nothing but homies around. So I put my gun up Bitches on my nuts like clothes. But I'm from the pound and we don't let them hoes. How could you trust a ho, cause a ho's a trick. I don't let them trick Cause a trick's a bitch and my dick's constantly in the mouth Telling them trick ass hoes to fuck it out. Now I once had a bitch named Manatee. Used to be all in them guts like everyday. The pussy was the bomb, had a nigga on sprung. I was in love like a motherfucker licking the pearl tongue. The homies used to tell me that she was no good, but I'm the maniac in black, mr Snoopy's wood, so I figured niggas wouldn't trip with mine.
Speaker 5:Guess what got dappled by one time I'm back to the motherfuckin' county jail, six months on my chest. Now it's time to bail. I get released on a hot sunny day. My nigga DOC and my homie Dr Dre Scoop in a coupe Snoop. We got news your girl was trickin' while you was draping your county blues. I ain't been out a second and already gotta do some motherfuckin' chin checkin'. Move up the block, cause we groove up the block. See my girl's house Drake, past the Glock Kickin' the dough. I look on the floor. It's my little cousin, daz, and he's fuckin' my hoe. Yo, I uncock my shit. I'm heartbroken but I'm still low man. Fuck a bitch.
Speaker 9:Bitches ain't shit but hoes and chicks. Six in the morning, police at my door, man, fuck a bitch To a player. It's a place to be. Got a knot in my pocket where at least a grand Gold on my neck, my pistol's close in hand. I'm a self-made monster of the city streets, remotely controlled by hard-hit pop beats. But just living in the city is a serious task. Didn't know it's the top one. It didn't have time to ask Word, word. See my homeboys Cooling way way out. Told them about my morning cold, bugged them out, shot a little dice Till my knees got sore, kicked around some stories About the night before, posse to the corner when the fly girls chill. Threw action at some freaks Till one bitch got ill. She started acting silly, said we would not quit, call us all punk pussies. Said we are one shit. As we walked over to a hoe, continued to speak. So we beat the bitch down In the goddamn street. But just living in the city Is a serious task. Bitch didn't know what hit her.
Speaker 8:Didn't have time to ask. Thank you, to the best of my knowledge, I guess that I'm fresh on what I manifest. What's going on, john? Okay, I rest. What's the? What's the purpose? Are you stopping me? Yo man, yo man, kicked around. He was just kicking him in. I'll let you take a look, all right. All right, I'll wax and maim, get familiar. The epitome of this game Flippin' like a horn, rugged and rough, soft like butter, creamy like a puff on the mic. No sense, no sense, very dense. Just listen to the gangsta and I will convince all, and I will convince all all. That's my power of speech. The title of the gangster they try to impeach, but it is protected by the black and the red. It's not true. All gangsters are dead. Not a gangster with a gun doing crime, none of that Killing MC with a rhyme cause. I'm the gangster of rap, in fact. In fact, I'm the dominant black Coming full force on and power that's back.
Speaker 9:For all the party people. This is a fact For all the party people. This is a fact For all the parties I'm gonna be. You might see me in my With my Bitch puffin' my Shit. You don't like it. Get off my. I don't like it unless it's. You might see me in my With my Bitch puffin' my Shit. You don't like it. Get off my. They say your attitude determines your latitude. Bitch pumping my brand new shit. You don't like it, get off my brand new thing. They say your attitude determines your latitude.
Speaker 9:I'm high as a motherfucker, fly as a motherfucker and still the motherfucker you love to hate, but can't because you love what I make. Now, ain't that about a bitch? And I'ma talk shit until I'm out of hits. They don't want to turn their speakers up. They claim I ain't deep enough. All that talking I feed off of Keep it up. I'm relaxing, my feet is up. I'm leaving you haters, like when Shaq left the Lakers Just to heat it up. I'll state the stats to stunt. I don't need the front. Make black history a day. I don't need them all. The survey says by the streets of Corden Kanye just as important as Michael Jordan was To the NBA when he was scoring Ralph Lauren was boring before I wore him in. I don't like it unless it's brand new. You might see me in my brand new With my brand new bitch pumping my brand new shit. You don't like it. Get off my brand new thing, no way.
Speaker 4:I don't want it unless it's brand new. You might see me in my brand new With my brand new bitch pumping my brand new shit. You don't like it? Get off my brand new bitch. Now some women hit the mall or some shop at the thrift store. Some of them mix and match and make it look like they get more. Some of y'all know you wear 16, squeezing in two or six. Damn what you make them. Jeans rip for. I guess she looking for a brand new man who ain't always got to sit down cause he can't stand you Boo. This the brand new jam to dance to. Why you giving me hair like shampoo? Come, if you can't skip the brand name, I won't brand you.
Speaker 1:What you do here. Stay here like Cancun. Yo, what the deal. We are back at the Shits Podcast. Y'all, we, the shooting the shit, starting some shit up, picking up what shit left off. Yo, that was the end of mix section with my man, DJ Shells. Y'all Yo, DJs out there, if you want your 10 to 15-minute mix featured on the Shits Podcast, email it to the Shits Podcast Mix. That's T-H-E-S-H-I-T-T-S-P-O-D-C-A-S-T-M-I-X at gmailcom. Once again, that's the Shits Podcast Mix at gmailcom. Please include your name, where you're from and your social media info. Man, Yo, check it out.
Speaker 1:I don't know who need to hear this, but a closed mouth, don't get fed y'all. Basically, speak up for yourself and communicate what you want. People don't read minds out here y'all. I'm going to leave y'all with that. I'm also going to leave y'all with this. Make fans, not followers. Followers will get you clout, but fans will get you work. Trust the process. Do something that gets you out of bed in the morning. Have a passion, have purpose, have patience. Also, make time to check out the Shits Podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast at. Also, you can find us just podcast on Instagram at the podcast. You can find us on Facebook at the podcast or you can find me. You can also find me on TikTok and I believe that's it. You can also find me out here in the streets. Y'all.
Speaker 1:Shout out to everybody that has supported the Shiz Podcast. Shout out to the family Joey Bryce, Jalen Smokey, Smokedog, Mama, my man, Big Tron, Deck of Ders, Mark G, the Pig Pockets, anybody that fuck with this man. My man, Bub G, my girl, Dee Dee Licious. I forgot somebody. I apologize, I got you on the next episode. Shout out to my man, Vic Legina. Y'all, make sure y'all check him out and check out his book. It is titled Filthy the Rise and Pending Death of Vic Legina. Once again, that's my man, Vic Legina. The book is called Filthy the Rise and Pending Death of Vic Legina. You can find it on Amazon. I believe you said Kindle as well. Shout out to my man, DJ Shells, for the mix. Shout out to Chicago, man and I'm out. Y'all, I will holler at y'all next week. It's the Shits Podcast. It's the Shits.